MHS831

AT getting cut is a bold prediction. I do not think he will, but keeping a 34-year old WR when you are rebuilding is questionable--I like the bold thinking though--gives me another possibility to explore. Johnson has a good year, he leaves for $$$. He has a bad year, the Panthers have a bad year and he leaves. What you describe is why you don't keep Moore, imo. Legette is a big question mark---fingers crossed. Mingo? Need to get it going. I am about 50% on him. So we are in a big hole if we have to go into 2025 with two potential busts and maybe Smith Marsette, who is about as good as he is going to ever get. We gotta grab a cut WR and make sure we hang on to Coker somehow--PS? Maybe. We can protect him each week.

The thing about WR is this: We really need to make decisions based on 2025. Johnson has a 1 year deal. Thielen is under contract through 2025, but he will be 35---can he do it? Legette has proven nothing; same for Mingo. So we must consider the possibility that we will have multiple needs at WR next year. I would like to suggest that we keep Smith Marsette along with Johnson, Thielen, Legette, and Mingo. I would not keep Moore or Marshall Jr. Coker should make the PS and we can protect 4 players all season, so he can develop with a real shot to be a factor in 2025. I would pick up a smaller, YAC slot WR on Tuesday night. It is tough, but if we do as I suggest, we would have 2 WRs to play the slot in 2025 (Thielen and the waiver wire WR), Coker, Legette, and MAYBE Johnson for 2025. Mingo is 50/50, imo. A lot has to happen for WR not to be a huge need in 2025, but we need to focus on the best OLB in the draft (assuming QB is set).

Boone looked good. Probably won't stick on the PS

we need that--I have heard that Chuba has been working on it and when Brooks is ready, they will offer some shake and bake--but we need a slot WR who can do that as well. Thielen is a possession WR--and a good one.

I liked this list--comments in bold above

It was a preseason statement. Three games have been played. I did provide data and reasons for my statement about the season that has not been played--I can't give you data for the 2024 season, but I can tell you that I stand by statement based on the information I have---give me your list--since the data is available. You said my comment was "insane"---you had to be basing your opinion on facts, right? List:

You bring up a good point--perhaps a different kind of kick that may not be something a placekicker does. I think you will see the kick evolve

Now, provide your list of players (include year) that were reserve linemen who are clearly better than the three I just mentioned--of course the season has not been played yet--this is my projection--and you have the advantage of hindsight and can select from 29 seasons. I will wait to see this juggernaut of a backup OL you reference.

What do you mean "just chill?" Re-read your response to my post--I was pretty calm considering the fact that you were a condescending dickhole. Now, to respond to your refusal to provide a backup squad like I asked, I am basing it--like everything else on this thread--on the preseason. Zavala has had very impressive PFF scores, coaches approval and specific comments, my observations, etc. Nijman? His PFF score over the past 4 seasons is over a 60 each year. Aaron Rodgers said he did not worry about the left side when he was playing. I also watched some of his video when we signed him--he is good enough to start on some teams. You seem to think I need current data for my opinion when you offered NOTHING to support your shallow, middle-schoolish attack. I don't debate with people like you because you seem to think offering a counter opinion involves no evidence just a personal attack---It was my opinion based on what I have seen--and I was an offensive line coach for a multiple state champion high school--so I know how to break down film. What is the source of your expertise? So either put up facts or shut up.

I think WR and OL need to be on the board every year....yeah, the first rounders are at 33% but as you say, for reasons perhaps unrelated to their football talent.

Missed him--but I would not put him in the LaFell / Samuel category--but I see both sides of that argument

I am going with Patriots.

Why can this team not draft a WR? Rae Carruth-TMJ--the history is terrible. Heck, the best WR in team history was a third rounder drafted to return punts. Here is what we have done: Did not Pan Out Rae Carruth Donald Hayes Walter Young Drew Carter Keary Colbert Ryne Robinson Dwayne Jarrett David Gettis Armanti Edwards Kealoha Pilares Joe Adams Kelvin Benjamin Shi Smith Terry Godwin Terrace Marshall Works in Progress Jonathan Mingo Xavier Legette Average Success Brandon Lafell (had three 600 yard seasons with Carolina over 4 years here) Curtis Samuel (had 2000 yards in receiving over 4 years here) Standouts DJ Moore Steve Smith Mushin Muhammad

I think it may have made it difficult on the first wave of waived players--without knowing who might get waived during the final waiver, teams may have missed out. Just a theory, but with all the players on the table at once (each with the 24 hour rule) maybe it was better for teams. Just speculating.

I agree. I did watch him get into the head of Dwayne Jarrett at an OTA and publicly embarrass him. I even mentioned it to Jarrett afterwards and you could tell how upset he was. Then I started thinking of any WR we drafted after Smith who succeeded here---I could not think of one. Was he too hard on them? I can also add that during casual times--when players had time to interact and chat during several years of OTAs--Smith really did not seem to have but one friend--and this will shock you--John Kasay. They used to warm up together, talking the entire time. At other times I hardly ever saw anyone demostrate positive rapport with him--that is just my observation.

Name the depth on a previous offensive line that was better. Not the starters--just to help you out. Zavala, Christensen, Nijman--so instead of just blasting insults, blast facts.

I know--the new system must be something he understands. Having 3 different offenses your rookie season must have been difficult. He has had time to let it sink in and is not pressured to start. We shall see how long it lasts, but defenses attacked us up the middle last year because our best and only legitimate lineman were at T---they did Ickey no favors, by the way. Rarely got TE help and we were without FB.

Yep. With Nijman (?) coming back soon and BC as a reserve---the depth of our OL has never been better--Depending on how Ikwonu plays, it has the potential to be a great OL. The guards in preseason (anderson, #67, and #71 (name?) played well too--so we should have depth on the PS. I am guessing that we keep Zavala, Raym, BC, and Nijman as the reserves behind the starting 5--giving us 9 on the active roster.

I can say that, after today, I would not be surprised to see us grab a CB by Wed. Surprise? If Brooks were ready, I would say Sanders--but it makes no sense to let him go because Dumbass signed him to a big guaranteed contract. #71 at RG. Mays cut.

Of course, and this is along with Frank's points--this was one drive vs. reserves. Can we get this for a whole game? a whole season? Hope is a powerful emotion--and we have been so thirsty for it--we will take this for what it is and what it might mean.

Yes--part of it is probably the mental clock (2.7 seconds). He seemed to have a sense of urgency more than panic. The more he learns the offense and the WRs, the better he is going to be.

My sons and I met him a few times--he was always a penile projection in my opinion. Now, he'd sign things for kids, but while he was signing my son's 89 jersey, he was insulting to him because my son could not understand what he said to him--so he got an attitude. (He asked my son, "What's your name?" so he could write it on the Jersey--my son, about 8 at the time, was confused because he thought Smith would be signing HIS name--a valid assumption. When he didn't respond immediately, Smith loudly responded, "Do you want the jersey signed or not!") (I was standing back about 30 feet, watching) He signed it, but I told Smith that he was nice to sign the jersey but he was confused because I told him that you would be signing your name--not his,which is what he probably thought. I thanked him, but he just looked at me as if my son was stupid and mumbled something under his breath. I then added, "You screwed it up for him by being a dick about it." He gave me a look (like 'who are you?') and walked away.

If they are shopping Marshall, they will probably cut him if they get no offers. Zay Jones was suspended for 5 games, and the Cards could be interested. Let's not forget the Bills--they are not loaded at WR and they had a front row seat today. Curtis Samuel is their #3--so they could work something out. I might also think the Chargers or the Broncos. The Patriots are not good at WR and Marshall would probably upgrade the WR room.-and I think they might take Coker if he is waived--Holy Cross is right outside Boston-they probably know him--I dunno. I just like the kid and want to keep him.

we are basing our guesses on what we see during a few scrimmage games. These decisions are going to be made by looking at film, practices, and how well the learn and interact with teammates (their dispositions). What skills do they have that others don't have? Marshall is your slant guy, Smith-Marsette is the special teamer who can break one as a WR, Coker is the (by rep) red zone threat and he is a good route runner...Moore is 29 and if there is a younger guy who can do what he does, I see them keeping the young guy since they are building for the future--but if Canales likes you...

A mini shocker will be a TE---Matthews is 32, however, and that hurts him.