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Ladd is also a boom or bust--he really is not as good an athlete as others in his range-

CAUTION: We are getting to that time of the draft year when we start overpicking the good players and inflating the others. Over the past 2-3 months, Thomas didn't start sucking and Pearsall all the sudden got better--however... To me, Xavier Legette is a boom or bust pick. I see that there are players who will not be drafted until round 3 or later who will be good NFL players. Roman Wilson, Tez Walker, Jermaine Burton, Brendon Rice, Jermaine Walker---all could be good WRs.

Not reading the entire thread, but didn't Gallop have a knee surgery and has yet to return to form?

I see that. I also see Kelvin Benjamin 2. Don't think that is fair, but its in my head!!!

Me too. I think I posted something about him going early second round. Look at his combine #s. He is a great athlete. Did he have the best situation at UF?

I love sitting in the end zone when I go. In fact, when I watched film with Beamer's staff at Va Tech, Most of the grading they did was from the endzone camera. They graded film by watching each play from the side, then twice from the endzone. When we watch a game on TV, it is from the side. We can rarely see what the FS is doing, and we lose the routes when the ball is snapped. Announcers, mostly former NFLers who watched film for days, said on numerous occasions that nobody was open during multiple games. The OL sucked, and we were usually playing from behind. Yet most people have dismissed Bryce while seeming to disconnect him with the performance of the OL and the WRs. Amazing. WHen Bryce was practicing with his WRs, there was no rush or coverage. So what do you think the problem is? Could it be the rush and the fact that WRs were covered? That tends to throw off timing, and timing is what those drills work on. Just a thought. But I will say that people have thrown Bryce under the bus prematurely. No QB would have succeeded here. Want proof? Look at what Baker did when he went to a good offense. And the OL was much better when he was here. I expect that level of improvement here.

that guy does a great job. I subscribed.

This is embarrassing. Reminds me of Basbear's prom date. Shots fired. What? Too soon?

Most likely. However, when you have this much position versatility, I could see an innovative GM/coach going with 8 players and using the PS to house 2. Not many teams have 2 swing OTs (one plays G and possibly C), and Mays who has played both G spots and they are grooming him to be C. ON PAPER, it is a unique situation. Take any of the starting 5 out, and it is a safe bet that Yosh or BC is the backup. Not sure about C. I guess it depends on this--is BC a "swing G"? I think he would be better at RG than Mays. I also think (opinion) that Mays should focus on C. They guy has played all over the LOS at 2 colleges and again here--IMO, he would be better if he focused on the one position. The point was this (to me): Do we have the versatility to keep 8 on the 53? I think we could. I mean, most teams carry but dress as few as seven for game day. If we kept 8, most games one would be inactive. However, this could also suggest that the Panthers are going to draft a Center. In 2012, the Pittsburgh Steelers carried 7 on their 53 man roster.

We sure seem to have a long history of acquiring Gamecocks.

i like him/

If we did, I would have a few on the PS. The chart provided makes me feel better because it demonstrates how we could sustain a few injuries and still have a quality OL. If a G goes out, we have BC to step in. A T? We now have Nijman. If Nijman goes down, we can move BC over and replace him with Mays. Heck, if we lost a T and G, we'd be better off than our starting OL last year. But yeah, we tend to get injured a lot up front, so I would definitely have some depth on the PS. Heck, I could even see a scenario wherein a G goes down and the move Ickey inside, replacing him with Nijman and BC. We have a lot of options.

That would freak some people out.

C bothered me, in that nobody on this roster has experience as a C in games. I guess we will see how serious he is about Corbett and Mays--I am not sold on it, but this was based on what we know they have stated or past history

He had his ups and downs, but he could easily be kept on the PS without fear of being purged.

Thanks to BC's versatility and the addition of Nijman as a swing OT, the costs we have spent on the OL may save us a roster spot. First, Brady Christensen has played OT and OG for Carolina, and he has always been a notch below average, according to PFF. Last season, they talked about giving him looks at center, but his injury prevented that from happening. Most of his experience here is at G, but he also has swing OT abilities. Nijman is an excellent swing OT, an important addition that gives us Ekwonu insurance and depth at both T spots. If you consider Cade May has been mentioned as the new backup Center behind Corbett, then he also has the ability to play 3 positions. Here is how you have solid depth three deep and you do so with better and fewer players. In the past, the OL has been a madhouse when a lineman goes down--we had 2. It seems we had someone new in the game every week. The OL needs to know the system and they need to communicate. If I were coach, I would carry 8 total OL on the 53-man roster, saving at least one roster spot, and I would feel confident that I had depth on three levels. Here is what it would look like: (I would keep Zavala on the PS to begin the season--he needs it) Green indicates a free agent addition

Didn't we pay Cam Irving something like this? I am still reading the thread, but I thought Brady was going to be the swing T---it seems now that BC could be the third OG and the fourth OT.

INTERRUPTION: Anybody heard from Mr Scot?

I did a mock, but I do not get the Chop love--looking at his numbers. I need to look more into it. I see him as a dropper, based on what I know right now. Braswell is a "DAWG" and I bet Morgan likes him. Here is the mock I did just to see what it would look like:

I think a great WR or TE is worth more than two pretty good WRs or TEs. There is only one ball.

If you were Dan Morgan, that is what he would WANT you to believe! I am pretty sure I blew his cover and his mind!!! No, you are probably right. I was just joking at my expense.

Yeah, I just wanted to get some open minded discussion going. Too often we make an assumption early and never consider all options. How many drafts have you walked away from thinking, "Well I never saw that coming" Good stuff here.

Yeah? Well your name makes it difficult to trust you when talking about Morgan, unless that is who you really are! I know he said that, but how can you say that before free agency ends? Do you trust everything GMs say during this time of year? I tend to trust Morgan, but when the dust settles, he could see trading up as the best option. I hope he does not-and I have a feeling Braswell will be our guy-I also have a feeling that Chop Robinson may fall into the second round.

I agree, but only on the surface. You have to look at the draft. The reality could force their hand, which was my point. Not that they SHOULD do this, but I said the COULD do this: If we bring in another WR it could mean that we could wait until the third round and grab another WR, pretty much giving us our WR corps. They will realize that a WR with second round talent will be there at 65. So the Panthers enter the draft basically desperately needing an elite edge. They have average at the Jack LB--Barno and Chaisson. Drafting a third OLB in that range in round 2 could mean that you add a "B-" player and it forces you to cut a "C-" player. However, there are three premier edge rushers who could be there around pick 15. 7. Dallas Turner - Alabama (very unlikely) 14. Jared Verse - Florida State 16. Laiatu Latu UCLA If you wait until pick 32, the only hope is for Chop Robinson, and he is two notches below the top three 3-4 edge Jack LBs. He is rated #30, and he, in 10 games, was less than half as productive as Verse and Latu. Robinson is likely to be gone as well without a trade up. So there is not Jack OLB Edge rusher to take at 32 or 39. On the top 100 players ranking list I am using, the next Jack OLB is Braswell (Alabama) at #47. However, the reviews on him are not overwhelmingly positive for that position. It seems he might make a better SOLB. He lacks the bend, etc. High motor and loves the game, but I question how effective he will be. So I would not reach for him with the 39th pick. Trade down? maybe an option, but you are still getting a player who seems to be much less of a natural fit thant Verse or Latu. If you wait until the next group of players become values, then pick 65 is a good spot. Take a look at the picks for 250 lb edge rushers in the 60-95 range. That is where you take an edge Jack OLB if you don't trade up in this draft for an elite edge Jack OLB. This from Tankathon is what I was using. If we do not sign an elite Edge in free agency, we probably are not drafting an elite edge without trading up. If we don't trade up, Personally, I really like Trice and I think Booker is a good fit. I might take Braswell if we trade down because I love his motor. I think that Verse and Latu are in the Burns conversation, while these others are backups on other teams. We already have Barno and Chaisson, fwiw. You can look at it like this--the Burns trade provided the #39 we needed to take an elite Edge rusher with our first pick.

If we do not sign Clowney, it could mean that we trade both seconds or a second and third to get into the first round for one. I hope they do not do that--but they may feel they need a young stud pass rusher.