cranky

The same could be said of any QB in the NFL.

I don't have a problem with anything they said ( at least from the summations )

You're right. My bad.

I'm surprised the "Bryce sucks" gestapo hasn't chimed in that its his fault yet.

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (CAROLINA SPORTS LIVE) — Panthers wide receiver Jalen Coker is officially off injured reserve and was a full participant in practice Wednesday. The second-year wideout has yet to play this year after a quadriceps strain in late August. “He looks fast, he looks like Jalen,” head coach Dave Canales said.

The guy implied he was trash against the Eagles. I simply pointed out he was good enough to have won the game. Same as the other games. he payed well enough in each of those games to have beaten them all. This is about his performance in those game. I simply showed he had the Panthers in position to win the game. The sad part is even though they were in position to win every one of those games because of Bryce, they lost them all to no fault of his own, still everyone here will argue all day long those losses are all on him.

The level where he drove down for the winning TD against Philly only to have Legette drop it, the level where he drove down for the winning score against the Chiefs only to have the defense give up a score in the final seconds to lose the game, the level where he took the Bucs to OT and, again, had the Panthers in a winning position only to have Hubbard fumble the ball in OT. Yes, that is the level I am looking for.

sunk cost fallacy is only true IF it is CLEAR that changing course is more beneficial. If Bryce gets back to playing like he did after getting benched last year, and sooner rather than later, than I am not so sure it is. Not a popular notation around here I know.

Again, I'm not as familiar with this as most you seem to be but, at this point, I would be open to taking a wait and see approach. I am sure that is not gonna go over well around here but if he trends up from here on out and ends on a high note, it would be worth looking into. Ideally, at this point, I would much rather not pick it up but then negotiate a new contract - something below the 25M. The way I see it, he's signed for the 4th year already and that money is gauranteed so it doesn't do any good to cut him. I also hate thinking about all the wasted capital that was invested in him (draft picks). From what I understand, 25M would be stilght below an average QB contract? And it would only be for the one year?

Well that is a tough. Needless to say I am a supporter but I am not unrealistic about his output so far. I would say that if he finishes the season on an upward trend, I would be open to looking into it. The thing is, I do not really understand how rookie contracts work. If you sign him to an extension, is it a large $$$ investment for two years or is it negotiable.

But I tell you what. I won't post anything supportive of Bryce for the next week for you if it bothers you that much.

And I would guess you have at least a hundred Bryce is trash threads over the last week alone. Everyone gets it by now. Your obsessed with him. Your hate knows no bounds. Someone could post something about the kicker and you would find a way to get a dig in there. POST: "Wow our kicker is great. He just hit a 58 yrd field goal" YOU: Yeah but if Bryce could throw beyond 5 yards, he wouldn't of needed to.

When would it need to be picked up? The end of this year? I was think it would be at the end of next year???

You never cease to amaze me with your ability to get a Bryce Young dig on practically any post regardless of the topic .

Really. You mean like last year. TLooking at the numbers, Dalton doesn't look any better than Bryce. And if you look at Bryce after he came back from being benched, you see he clearly outpayed Dalton.

And where is the fun in that

And if we weren't spending the most amount of money in the entire league on the OL and Young was getting killed every week, you would still be blaming everything on his diminutive size and lack of arm strength.

I don't know that it has to be stellar but you can't keep missing on one group which they have been doing with receivers. I do think they did well this year however. Time will tell

Too bad he can't pass to them.

Let me try this. Here is a graph of what every team is spending on their receivers and tight ends. As you can see, the Panthers are dead last. Given that, I think its misleading to say he has all this support. After all, a qb's main job is to pass the ball. The Panthers spend the least amount on giving him someone to pass the ball to.

As I pointed out in the OP, the Panthers are spending the least amount of their cap money on receivers and tight ends of any team in the NFL and have been the entire time Young has been here. It is true they spend heavily on the offense, it's just not directed towards the receivers or tight ends. So when people say Young should be doing better given all the support the Panthers' have given ($$$), I say those numbers are misguided as they aren't really going to anyone Young can pass to. You can't argue Young has all this support when his receivers on Sundays are a rookie, an undrafted rookie, a reclemation project, someone pulled from a practice squad and Legette. And his TE's are Tremble, another rookie and another practice squad guy.

"You can play the game with wishing we drafted someone else, but you can't say the framework wasn't sound. It was, we've just done poorly in choosing the talent to bring together. " Exactly - except I am not saying I wished they drafted someone else. I'm also not saying they have not tried. As you say, the framework was sound and I agree with what they were trying to do. If Theilen had stayed and Coker had not gone to IR, this year would have looked much different. Especially given how good Tet has looked. I would venture to guess all talk about how bad Young is would never have happened. But Theilen is gone, Coker is on IR still and all the offensive struggles are being blamed on Young which is absurd.

Yes their best draft collateral was spent to support Bryce but that does not change the fact that they made poor choices. Drafting Mingo and Legette and were poor draft choices - ones that crippled the offensive play and did anything but help Young develope. Legette could still turn it around but to this point, he has not been productive. The spending is misleading if you use it to gauge the support given to Young. It doesn't matter what dollar amount you use on the offense if none of it actually goes toward given Young someone to throw a pass to.

Well they guy has war paint on while he watches the game on his computer so that might explain it a little

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