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I have read they only want Young and if we take him Houston may decide on someone other than a qb.

I think everyone can benefit from a change to a 3-4 if it is aggressive in style. Being in a 3-4 or a 4-3 as a base defense only 30% of the time means that most of the time they will be in something else. So the way they play and various coverages will determine who shines more than the base defense we employ. Fanzio's version is very aggressive with frequent blitzing through the A gaps which benefits ILB sack stats as much as OLBs. Coverages matter. Press man coverage might benefit Horn more than a cover 3 shell in terms of his effectiveness. And if Chinn is playing safety in press man on a TE he stays closer to the line than if they were in cover 4 for example.

Everyone of these QBs is going to have a learning curve to get ready to play in the pros. Young looks the most ready but he had the better coaches and he appears to be quite smart. One question is whether his size and good but not great measurables give him the highest floor but limit his ceiling given there are some throws he isn't good at and his size and the need to protect him limit his value in the run game. The fact that CJ played so much better against the best team he faced could be because his game is still evolving. Most of his games this year they won because they were the better team and CJ didn't have to do that much to win. He had his best game on the biggest stage playing against a better team. Perhaps his ceiling is a little higher as he keeps figuring out more elements to his game like running and being elusive. I am sure you could argue that Young has a higher floor and ceiling but I cant shake the image of Tua (who is bigger than Young) getting ragdolled and potentially ending his career. After seeing all of our quarterbacks get hurt this year, people saying size and durability aren't correlated are ignoring how many qbs get hurt each year. And Young would be one of the smaller qbs ever to play the game. And I will say one thing about Richardson. If we pick him expect a lot of losses if he starts his rookie year or get excited about Dalton starting until Richardson is ready if we plan on actually being competitive next year.

No we don't have to . Contracts are backloaded and signing bonuses are prorated so the cap hit can be as little or as large as we want. Last year the number one pick had a 4 year deal 37 million. So if we gave him a 16 million dollar signing bonus and a 1 million salary for 2023 our cap hit would be 5 million. Or with 27 million in cap space we could make the hit bigger this year. But the cap isn't a limiter to what we can do. If we signed Burns to a huge 5 year deal for 125 million our cap hit could be as small as 8 mil this year if we give him a 40 million dollar signing bonus and a 2 million dollar salary for 2023. The guaranteed money is the biggest thing.

Like many I lean toward Stroud with his bigger frame and quick accurate passes which fits the offense I think we will be running. That doesn't mean Young won't be a good choice as well. Just that you may have to adapt the gameplan to account for his size and height more than you do Stroud who is more prototypical in size.

Darnold is playing for the team he grew up rooting for as a child. What a dream to actually play for them with this loaded offense. Unless we play them at which time they all are dead to me, I will root for CMC and Darnold. They don't play in our division but are in our conference so I am fan unless we are vying for a playoff spot.

Even more reason to have a versatile guy like Chinn who is tough in coverage on the back end yet is great blitzing off the edge.

Maybe it is me but shouldn't we wait to actually see what defenses we will be running with what coverages before deciding if someone is a good fit or not. Many folks have suggested that defenses run their base defense 30-40% of the time. Most teams are in nickle coverage about 50% of the time in either a 3-3-5 or a 4-2-5 defense. Imagine all the variations and hybrids you can create. Chinn at his size can play safety or linebacker so how does he not fit? He can play strong safety as well. Teams love guys who can play multiple positions at a high level. When someone is as talented as Chinn you find ways to use him in your defense. He is a great luxury to have.

Richardson is surely in the discussion with his size and arm strength as is Levis. I agree that Stroud is not as big as you would like but he seems to have a bigger frame to build upon. I would feel much better if he were a little bit meatier. That again is what bothers me about Young. He is small, has a slight frame isn't likely to stack much more muscle which protects guys from injury. The fact that Stroud isn't that much bigger doesn't suggest we should go even smaller with Young as much as a guy like Stroud is likely the minimum we want to play with if we want to use the qb in the running game at all.

Unless it is specific to position and then further broken down by things like what type of system you run it is really useless. Cam got injured not because of his size but because he was used as a battering ram. Guys like Josh Allen are big and strong but routinely run through the line on called quarterback draws. Meanwhile a guy like Brees played in a west coast type style where he got the ball out quickly and he rarely took a hit. So what contributed to each of these quarterbacks getting injured? Their size and weight or the way they were used?? Does Allen stand a good chance of being injured because of how he plays? Maybe size limits what you can do because you are protecting your small qb at all costs. With Young are you limiting your offense since you don't want him running that much. The useful of all data is in the analysis which in this case was woefully inadequate. And surely not useful as a predictive tool.

You keep making.my point. If Tua weighing 220 by your numbers but small in height and frame gets ragdolled then Young is even more a risk at likely under 200 lbs. Taller bigger framed guys in the 220 range will be more resistant to getting tossed than a small guy like Young. You don't need group stats to figure that out.

Yeah he came out of college around 200 lbs and it seems it fluctuates between 205 to 220 over the years But he isn't a big guy compared to a 6'6" 275lb to 300 lb guy. And the bigger the difference the more likely one big hit can cause significant damage. That much is clear if you have watched football for years. All the stats you can muster don't change the hard realities of football.

Of course size and weight are issues but it seems to me that muscle mass is important as is the ability to avoid contact much like Sweetness used to do for the Bears. Payton was 5'10" and 200 lbs. I don't know how he would fare in today's NFL or if he would be as resistant to injury now as he was then but the sense then was that he was great at avoiding direct contact and crunching tackles. Young can do that in college. Will it translate to the NFL? Likely. Will it stop him from getting ragdolled like Tua? No. And would a defender pick up a 6'4" guy and 230 guy and toss him like that? Unlikely. All of these are factors. And to stay healthy you have to avoid injury every time. In a show I recently saw one assassin says to the other, " They got away again". The other assassin says yeah but they have to win every time and we only have to win once. So it isn't just injury but getting pummeled like Tua and start the clock to early retirement. The question to me is whether Young's other characteristics are so much better than Strouds for example to mitigate the obvious risk since Young is so small and it is a concern.

He should do better at Nebraska because of what he learned at Carolina. When you succeed sometimes you don't know exactly what you did to be successful but when you screw up and get fired you know exactly what you did wrong. And his rah rah coach speak plays well in college.

Shelby has Moss Lake which has million dollars homes and much less crowded than Lake Norman. Plus east of Gastonia there are a lot of upscale neighborhoods being built near Cramerton. With the Stadium where it is the commute likely is easier than fighting 77 or 485 twice a day.

He can either retire at year's end or if things go well in the new system he can play next year on a cheap deal. It was structured so if we cut him in 2024 the dead cap hit and his cap hit are within 400,000 of each other around 6 million and change. So it depends on how productive he is in a 3-4.

Samirmagic.

Remember that a lot of UDFAs are available as well which I include as part of the draft since it occurs immediately after.

We will draft a TE I am sure. But I would suggest we get a WR or two and a pass rusher/ outside linebacker type or two as well. Add a few decelopmental guys in the later rounds BPA. But TE to me isn't a huge need as both Tremble and Hurst are going to.like this offense.

We have cap to sign anyone we want. First year contracts are cap friendly because the signing bonus serves as their year 1 salary primarily but get prorated over the life of the contract. We could theoretically pay someone for a 4 year 40 million contract with a 12 million signing bonus and a 1 million dollar base salary and our cap hit for 2023 is 4 million. As long as the guaranteed money is controlled you can cut him after year 2 with a 6 million dead cap hit. The same thing works for any contract. Do you always want to backload contracts? This year yes, going forward it depends. But we can sign who we want if we think the value justifies the cost and we don't guarantee too much which is where teams get in big trouble. And yes we have the capacity to generate more cap space if we need it. That is how the NFL works these days. That is how the Saints have more cap room than we do by what I saw last. Constantly manipulating the cap is the expectation

I think you are right about Sanders. They wanted someone who can run and catch the ball and is also familiar with this offense. We are bringing in guys who will easily pick up the system so we can play well out of the box. I am glad the FO and coaches aren't resigned to a losing season before we are 2 weeks into free agency like some folks here.

Maybe I have been misled by what Reich has been saying in his press conferences but he said Mr. Tepper is front row and center on any major decision asking tough questions they might not think about. They reach consensus and move forward. I think he is involved this time not letting the coach make all the decisions. Looks like a mix of Samir, Dan, Fitterer, Reich Tepper and in the case of players assistant coaches. A real full room.

No one factor determines whether you take one guy over the other and certainly not a cognitive test with largely anecdotal evidence. The performance on the field, interviews, background checks and visits with the prospects far outweighs a score on a test with suspect validity and reliability. I have read the theory that they might like 2 guys and might want to get some picks to move back to 2 so they have to hold their cards close.

I don't think you can decide that a cognition test puts you over the top compared to other guys unless you have context and causality. What are you actually measuring.? How much does that impact the ability for a QB to be successful? How much would a 10 point difference in score actually be in performance and how much does that translate to success? IQ is positively correlated to speed of mental process but if high cognitive scores translated to QB success then why aren't there a bunch of Ivy Leaguers playing QB who typically are very smart. Obviously like the Wonderlic any cognitive test is only useful if what you are measuring on the test is highly correlated to what you are using it for which is success as an NFL qb. In this case would the possible increase in fast processing offset the likelihood of injury. And does fast processing matter more than athleticism or the ability to throw a ball 30 yards on a rope while falling down.

It is the first day of free agency. How do you know we will be pedestrian on offense. That right you don't but it fits your agenda. Fell free to expect little but the majority will be expecting winning the division unless our old nemesis the Saints end up better. And no, winning 6 games would suck but then again as a PSL owner I have skin in the game and you don't. So I can see why you expect little but many of the rest expect a lot more. 6 wins was fine with Cam when we were coming off a 2-14 season in 2010 but after going 500 with Wilks the bar is much higher and we will be better than you think Mr. Mediocre.