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Well I'll be... Push me over with a feather.

I mean, Bryce had a good game, but the problem is is that they are too too far in between. Moreover, you realize that defenses will continue to stack the box (which we have seen far too many times the last three seasons) when they don't believe that the QB will beat them. 20 yards is either hyperbole, or incorrect.

Like I mentioned in another post, all players, coaches and execs don't agree all the time, so having your fingers on the pulse of the team because you know people isn't necessarily a litmus test for what is still ultimately an opinion.

True maybe, but I admittedly don't necessarily pay NFL types as much deference as others, as over the years I've seen them be wrong aplenty, so much so that perhaps I'm just jaundiced, or at least callous, to some of their proclamations. I mean, after watching the game in earnest for somewhere around a half century, admittedly the eye test seems to take on, sometimes exaggerated, importance. You do get to know a thing or two about the game over that span as well and develop some insights that younger fans may not have. Moreover, keep in mind that players, coaches and execs disagree on many things football all the time, so there's a certain amount of dart throwing that is inherent within the beast.

We all choose who to listen to, but, perhaps more importantly, a number of us form opinions based upon what we see (and don't see as it were). It's not necessarily "confirmation bias," but objective analysis.

If everyone agrees on everything all the time in a football forum, then that should tell you something. If people have varying degrees of disagreement and are constantly going back and forth, presenting statistics, information and knowledge based upon experience and the experience of those who are NFL types, that should tell you something also. Being a fan is not necessarily just about mindless cheerleading, although some fans do that.

Interesting. A HoF QB is not an authority on the position. I mean, everybody is guessing to an extent, but Kurt Warner obviously knows the intricacies of the position at all levels, as do other QBs who have played at all levels.

OK, let me first say that I can't get any Twitter link to embed--using "X" or "Twitter" or whatever, and I'm tired of trying. Now, I must say that I see Panthers stuff in Facebook on occasion as I'm part of some group, but I see Panthers stuff even less on the cesspool that is now X, but as a follower of the official Panthers Twitter, stuff pops up on that feed too. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that agents of the organization would be putting out tweets like this: He's not even trying to be objective. It stands to make sense though. In order to get better information, you have to go to national sources like Kurt Warner. I'm not necessarily trying to pick on J-Stew, per se, but I can't take him seriously, as even some past Panthers players, like Greg Olsen for example, don't seem like they're just trying to cater to Panthers Nation, just saying hollow words to make everyone feel good. I just wonder why here on the Carolina Huddle, there seems to be more objectivity, or at least more critical thinking and serious discussion than most other social media sources on the Panthers. It's interesting. There is a significant difference. For all the changes and the seeming decline in popularity to whatever degree, the Carolina Huddle still has its place and plays a big part in overall Panthers fandom. We want to be happy, joyous and cheer for the Panthers, but we aren't necessarily trying to shoot sunshine up people's derrières either.

What did I say the other day? I suspect that our lack of third down success on both sides of the ball has something to do with the inability to adapt and exercise efficiency in the art of situational play calling. And, yes, on the defensive side of the ball it speaks to a lack of pass rushing as well, so there are several layers to this, and it all comes back to Evero.

Would've been better if they got his voice right. Could've used AI for that. It was still amusing though.

The bad games far outweigh the good games, and some of the "good" games are just mediocre. To your last question: Brave browser.

Look I know it all can be bullshit, and, like I said, you have to use context, but if you look at these lists, there are some pretty good QBs on here. So, in my opinion, they must be basing QBR on something that's legit. Sure, there are maybe one or two outliers, but, again, that's what context is for.

I don't hate the stats, I may "hate" how people try to use them. But, it's all just the nature of the beast. Opinions are a part of the beast.

This is speculation, and at odds with what the owner said. Why can't we just believe two people not known for bullsh¡tting at their word? Tomlin would've had his pick of jobs, and will again. "Good" NFL coaching opportunities don't come along all the time, if by "good" you mean coaching for an A+ organization, but they're all good. Sometimes people get burned out and need a change. I think that if Tomlin gets the itch, he'll coach again, but if he enjoys his new gig he may stay in the media (á la Bill Cowher). I don't think you can do any better than the Ravens job, and it's not like we hadn't heard rumors about Green Bay and Buffalo, and maybe even the 49ers. Tomlin would've been considered for them all. Sometimes the stated message is the one that's the truest and simplest.

Why do you guys keep saying this? I already know this. My post was in terms of the chart and the OP's point which was mainly based upon Bryce's "Total QBR." Even if you dislike QBR, you must dislike Total QBR either the same or worse because it's more subjective, as it's based upon opponents. I generally don't believe that you can use any of these rankings or stats within a vacuum, but at least I know what passer rating is based on, and I can always peruse raw stats by myself. All of these metrics, stats and ultimately rankings should be juxtaposed against contextual perspectives in my opinion, otherwise you can come away with some wildly varied, or even misguided, opinions and judgements.

If a QB has an INT and five fumbles, he deserves to be criticized. People can criticize passe rating and QBR all they like. All I know is that looking at the all-time lists, you'll see that some pretty good QBs lead both. In that same vein, I absolutely want my QB to be able to pass the ball efficiently. If he can run, that's great too, but a QB's primary job is to pass.

In a word, yes, if that's the way you look at it. Any time you start adjusting based on opponents, things get even murkier.

That's easy. Because I'm comparing it to "Total QBR." All of this is within the context of the chart. If you don't like QBR, then you're probably going to hate Total QBR worse.

I mean, QBR is the one that is less subjective (basically the one that really matters). Total QBR is adjusted and based upon who you're playing. Bryce did well, relative to who we were playing (and relative to what he normally does), but don't mistake it for a season's work.

I doubt it. Who would hitch their wagon to Bryce? Bryce is pretty much a default excuse. Tepper may be a lot of things, but he isn't daft or oblivious to dynamics.

Saying he's better than Tua or Jacoby is a little bit of a stretch when you start looking at the numbers. Saying he's better than Ward or McCarthy at this point generally means nothing. Anyone who is being totally objective, in my opinion, I'm thinking will at least acknowledge that picking up Bryce's 5th year option is just as much (if not more) about what was invested to acquire him---and the Panthers' overall situation in regards to draft position, lack of draft capital, real capital or obvious options, and just the general QB market--and his, at best, middling play (and that's a marked stretch). Though we're giving Bryce another year, based upon his play, I don't think that most NFL types will have great expectations.

Putting McCarthy and Ward in there is a little disingenuous, but I guess we'll have to accept it considering the conversation (but not without context). You better start looking at stats that speak to efficiency (e.g. passer rating, yards, TD-INT ratio). Don't confuse making it to the playoffs or going from the bottom to staying in the bottom third of the league as something to praise without some context. Both Tagovailoa and Jacoby Brissett were arguably better than Bryce. They were more efficient QBs by most metrics that matter. The fact that we're discussing a third-year QB with the likes of busts, backups and virtual rookies should make you pipe down a bit in my estimation. I mean, I can accept the reality of the situation--the option is pretty much a no-brainer--but Bryce needs to improve greatly before I consider him a franchise-level starter.

I don't know what Howell is. If I do, it's only by assumption based upon his lack of opportunities.

Exactly!

I get your point, I just don't agree with it on its face. This wasn't the 2024 season. The defense was not on the field an inordinate amount of time. The fact is, is that though we drafted two pass rushers, we actually regressed a little bit in regards to total sacks and dropped significantly in pass rush win rate. We were 24th in 2025 (down from 10th in '24). We were ranked 28th in sacks in 2025 and 27th in '24. I bet you Jeff Ulbrich would've gotten more out of our guys in the pass rushing department, as I would bet that many DCs would have. Our pass rushing efficiency, or lack thereof, didn't really have anything to do with the offense in my mind--not in 2025. And let's not even talk about third-down efficiency. It was just as bad if not a little worse. But, this offseason, I would take away even more excuses by investing even more in the defense. If we can't get a pass rush going, then it's squarely an Evero issue. He has one of the best DTs in the league, as well as a pretty good pair of CBs, and one above average safety. Assuming that we upgrade safety and get a legit MLB, we should see a substantial improvement.