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I seriously doubt the Chargers are going to let him go for basically nothing, notwithstanding that he hasn't really lived up to his potential. Honestly, he has just as many if not more questions than when he came into the league. He was overdrafted.

Yep. Not really the point though, which is we're not drafting a Center in the first round under any circumstance. The positional value just isn't there.

Whatever you say. It's a deep wr class that should produce several good receivers. According to Matt Harmon and other respected analysts, it wouldn't be a shocker if Concepcion ends up the best in the class.

I didn't know you were in the Panthers' FO.

I'm not calling names, but Concepcion was compared to Keenan Allen in this very thread.

If you say so. All that is is coach-speak. Center may be addressed, and it may even be likely, but it won't be in the first.

I mean, I hear you guys saying "UDFA," but I could see using a later day 3 pick on him. Round five and especially rounds 6 and 7 are highly speculative anyway.

And what words are you referring to? How about the fact that in his own words, he basically said that in the money rounds, we ain't drafting for depth, but players that can make an impact from day one?

You're just being negative. Fortner is a solid center and plus pass protector. Walker is a plus pass protector and a meh run blocker. Give me pass protection over run blocking any day of the week, especially for BY9. We already have one bust at WR, one above average guy--when he's in--and a merry band of dudes who've done comparatively little in the pros. Talk about a crisis if T-mac were to go down for any appreciable amount of time...

Really, isn't that what I just said? Why would a QB be high on your board if you already have one? QBs may may be valued more overall, as they are central to a team's success, but they also have a high bust rate along with other premium positions, but the difference is is that you have to generally pay way more for them one way or another. So, you stay away, unless you just can't for whatever reasons.

I'll just take the super processor. If he could get to that, I think we'd all be feeling better about his future. Not holding my breath though. More likely to hold my nose. I haven't completely given up though.

Everybody has their wishlist, but I'm not sure that Fano is going to be better than Miller, Freeling or Proctor. Rodriguez is a dawg, but he's no Luke. I would love to get him though.

BPA is not a myth. You think that these teams don't have their boards up and ready to go on draft night? BPA is in reference to a team's board. The positional value, character, off-field concerns and all that other stuff is built-in. Hell, some players don't even make a team's board more than likely due to being questionable human beings. You see, I don't get the "Bryce argument." I think that's weak within this context. You do what's best for the team. Always! If you perceive that an OT is best for the team, you draft him. If you perceive a WR is best for the team, you draft him. If you perceive that a safety is best, you draft him, etc. Bryce, just by virtue of being on the team is going to be more successful.

Yeah, but being "even" is a different argument. Of course you're going to take the player that you need more if all things are equal. That's a no-brainer.

I just don't see that as being in the realm of reality, but in theory if the tackle is the BPA, then sure. Like I just said in another thread, sometimes it's not a matter of being right or wrong, but just putting the puzzle pieces together to make it work. All this sh¡t is guess work, it's just that the professionals have more educated guess work.

I don't know, nor did I say that. I said you don't reach down over a higher graded player to grab a lower graded player; it doesn't matter the position. It doesn't matter what any of us think when we're on the clock. The professionals are the ones getting paid to scout and pick. If we're all being honest, we think they're are better options available all the time. Hell, plenty of people thought there were better players than T-mac last year. I mean, sometimes it's still a debate over players' careers. I mean, sure the busts are obviously wrong, but sometimes there is no right and wrong, it's just a matter of putting puzzle pieces together and making it work.

What I am saying is that receivers will be on our big board, regardless. Big boards are obviously going to include players at positions of need, but it would be tantamount to sacrilege to reach down over a higher graded player to grab a lower graded player simply because you perceive that the lower graded player is a bigger need.

I mean, it's possible, but does Canales (and Dan and Brandt) really feel like investing a first in a guy that will likely ride the bench this season? I don't see him, or any of them really, taking any starter's job on the O-line.

You draft the BPA, the highest graded person on your board, period! It doesn't matter what the position is. It doesn't matter if it's three times in a row, particularly when you need a WR--particularly when one of them hasn't worked out. What you and others are suggesting from one perspective is to draft for need--exclude an entire position just because it's the first round, even though that position should rightly be in play just like all the other positions that could provide a valuable upgrade to your team, just because you drafted them in the first round for two seasons in a row. I hate to be blunt and it may appear disrespectful (but it's really not) but in my opinion that's just nonsensical. You draft the BPA/BAP regardless of any arbitrary notions because that's what leads to success, and that you used free agency to set yourself up so that you could do that very thing. That's just the way that I see it https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/480550-look-at-the-wrs-in-recent-drafts-around-19/?do=findComment&comment=7062085

You draft the BPA, the highest graded person on your board, period! It doesn't matter what the position is. It doesn't matter if it's three times in a row, particularly when you need a WR--particularly when one of them hasn't worked out. What you and others are suggesting from one perspective is to draft for need--exclude an entire position just because it's the first round, even though that position should rightly be in play just like all the other positions that could provide a valuable upgrade to your team, just because you drafted them in the first round for two seasons in a row. I hate to be blunt and it may appear disrespectful (but it's really not) but in my opinion that's just nonsensical. You draft the BPA/BAP regardless of any arbitrary notions because that's what leads to success, and that you used free agency to set yourself up so that you could do that very thing. That's just the way that I see it

B.S.

Dude, you're way off base. Concepcion had 440 yards after contact in 2025. Is it elite? No. Is it solid? Hell yeah. Even if I concede that he's not a home run threat, he not only returned two TDs to the house, but he also took a 48 yard screen pass to the house against a stout Mizzou defense. He also had a 45 yarder and a 34 yarder, both largely running after the catch. So you can take that however you want. Keenan Allen's career YAC average is basically half (and I'm being generous) of what Concepcion put up last year. Come on, man. They are entirely different receivers. Sure, he had some legit concentration drops, but it's like some analysts have said, a lot of times drops are overrated. Moreover, it's not like Concepcion is a finished product. I mean, it's easy to say most mocks have him outside the first round without realistically being able to look at all the mocks. I've seen him in the top 30 on big boards, so you take that as you will.

Pavia is short with good size. He's strong and he's durable. He has good vision as a runner. He is a true dual threat, but won't be running away from anyone. Still, you can at least run a credible QB sneak, probably.

Well, one thing about Pavia that is indisputable: he's got that dawg in him. His production can't be denied either.