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You realize that it doesn't have to come from the Panthers HQ to be spin? If you live and breath something---basically drink the Kool aid---espousing the company line can come natural.

Even if you're somewhat correct--not totally--it's still not hyperbole. I mean, why does any of this stuff matter? Just something to shoot the sh¡t about.

We are talking last week's playoff game, right? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202601100car.htm?hl=en-US#all_player_offense https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/boxscore/NFL_20260110_LAR@CAR/?hl=en-US https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/football/nfl/stats/2879581?hl=en-US

So you say

Well, I did admit "Homer" was a better word. "Propaganda," on its face is not hyperbolic in this sense, nor is it necessarily a negative word. Only due to fairly recent events is there a fully negative connotation (which I also alluded to), so I don't know what to tell you. @LinvilleGorge or any mod feel free to change the term. Thanks.

"Homer," is the better term. On an off note, you don't have to be Dave Canales to be a lifelong fan. Get it?

"Trash" is very much hyperbole, I would never "trash" Stew. I must admit, however, that "Homer" is the better word, especially with the realization of what's happening in America during these times. Sensitivities are up.

I like him too, but I'm still skeptical of his take. It's too early to be saying that in my opinion, based upon lingering questions over three seasons. Depending upon which stats/metrics you give credence to, Bryce is still bottom third of the league.

Not trying to be flippant, but what the hell is a Pass Game Coordinator? On a team where the HC calls the plays, wht do we even need an OC, much less a PGC? ABC, possibly, hopefully: Anybody but Canales.

My, oh my, you've turned cynical.

Well I'll be... Push me over with a feather.

I mean, Bryce had a good game, but the problem is is that they are too too far in between. Moreover, you realize that defenses will continue to stack the box (which we have seen far too many times the last three seasons) when they don't believe that the QB will beat them. 20 yards is either hyperbole, or incorrect.

Like I mentioned in another post, all players, coaches and execs don't agree all the time, so having your fingers on the pulse of the team because you know people isn't necessarily a litmus test for what is still ultimately an opinion.

True maybe, but I admittedly don't necessarily pay NFL types as much deference as others, as over the years I've seen them be wrong aplenty, so much so that perhaps I'm just jaundiced, or at least callous, to some of their proclamations. I mean, after watching the game in earnest for somewhere around a half century, admittedly the eye test seems to take on, sometimes exaggerated, importance. You do get to know a thing or two about the game over that span as well and develop some insights that younger fans may not have. Moreover, keep in mind that players, coaches and execs disagree on many things football all the time, so there's a certain amount of dart throwing that is inherent within the beast.

We all choose who to listen to, but, perhaps more importantly, a number of us form opinions based upon what we see (and don't see as it were). It's not necessarily "confirmation bias," but objective analysis.

If everyone agrees on everything all the time in a football forum, then that should tell you something. If people have varying degrees of disagreement and are constantly going back and forth, presenting statistics, information and knowledge based upon experience and the experience of those who are NFL types, that should tell you something also. Being a fan is not necessarily just about mindless cheerleading, although some fans do that.

Interesting. A HoF QB is not an authority on the position. I mean, everybody is guessing to an extent, but Kurt Warner obviously knows the intricacies of the position at all levels, as do other QBs who have played at all levels.

OK, let me first say that I can't get any Twitter link to embed--using "X" or "Twitter" or whatever, and I'm tired of trying. Now, I must say that I see Panthers stuff in Facebook on occasion as I'm part of some group, but I see Panthers stuff even less on the cesspool that is now X, but as a follower of the official Panthers Twitter, stuff pops up on that feed too. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that agents of the organization would be putting out tweets like this: He's not even trying to be objective. It stands to make sense though. In order to get better information, you have to go to national sources like Kurt Warner. I'm not necessarily trying to pick on J-Stew, per se, but I can't take him seriously, as even some past Panthers players, like Greg Olsen for example, don't seem like they're just trying to cater to Panthers Nation, just saying hollow words to make everyone feel good. I just wonder why here on the Carolina Huddle, there seems to be more objectivity, or at least more critical thinking and serious discussion than most other social media sources on the Panthers. It's interesting. There is a significant difference. For all the changes and the seeming decline in popularity to whatever degree, the Carolina Huddle still has its place and plays a big part in overall Panthers fandom. We want to be happy, joyous and cheer for the Panthers, but we aren't necessarily trying to shoot sunshine up people's derrières either.

What did I say the other day? I suspect that our lack of third down success on both sides of the ball has something to do with the inability to adapt and exercise efficiency in the art of situational play calling. And, yes, on the defensive side of the ball it speaks to a lack of pass rushing as well, so there are several layers to this, and it all comes back to Evero.

Would've been better if they got his voice right. Could've used AI for that. It was still amusing though.

The bad games far outweigh the good games, and some of the "good" games are just mediocre. To your last question: Brave browser.

Look I know it all can be bullshit, and, like I said, you have to use context, but if you look at these lists, there are some pretty good QBs on here. So, in my opinion, they must be basing QBR on something that's legit. Sure, there are maybe one or two outliers, but, again, that's what context is for.

I don't hate the stats, I may "hate" how people try to use them. But, it's all just the nature of the beast. Opinions are a part of the beast.

This is speculation, and at odds with what the owner said. Why can't we just believe two people not known for bullsh¡tting at their word? Tomlin would've had his pick of jobs, and will again. "Good" NFL coaching opportunities don't come along all the time, if by "good" you mean coaching for an A+ organization, but they're all good. Sometimes people get burned out and need a change. I think that if Tomlin gets the itch, he'll coach again, but if he enjoys his new gig he may stay in the media (á la Bill Cowher). I don't think you can do any better than the Ravens job, and it's not like we hadn't heard rumors about Green Bay and Buffalo, and maybe even the 49ers. Tomlin would've been considered for them all. Sometimes the stated message is the one that's the truest and simplest.

Why do you guys keep saying this? I already know this. My post was in terms of the chart and the OP's point which was mainly based upon Bryce's "Total QBR." Even if you dislike QBR, you must dislike Total QBR either the same or worse because it's more subjective, as it's based upon opponents. I generally don't believe that you can use any of these rankings or stats within a vacuum, but at least I know what passer rating is based on, and I can always peruse raw stats by myself. All of these metrics, stats and ultimately rankings should be juxtaposed against contextual perspectives in my opinion, otherwise you can come away with some wildly varied, or even misguided, opinions and judgements.