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So is the Texans'. Metchie is in danger of being cut. Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Christian Kirk, Jayden Higgins & Jaylin Noel. If I were Dan Morgan though, I just don't know that I could pass up the connection. I mentioned Horn and Moore being cut if someone else that was an upgrade became available. Well, I think that Metchie would probably fit that bill.

We think, "Come get me." Maybe that was Dunc just talking though.

That's what happens when you're behind a lot.

It's a helluva lot easier to put someone on the ground when you're grabbing their facemask and using it as leverage to put them in an awkward position. The DB was lucky that they both had helmets on. Real talk.

I don't think Horn is guaranteed. I don't think Moore is guaranteed either. I don't think that we'll keep either one of them if by chance someone is cut that would be an upgrade to either. I'm not downplaying Moore though. An experienced vet that can legitimately fill in when injury bug bites is not to be taken for granted.

Yeah, he's made some plays. The thing is though, he's really just a possession receiver. Horn, theoretically, provides speed and explosiveness. He's just so small though, and he really provides zilch as far as blocking down field (unlike Tremayne). It will be interesting to see what happens there.

You don't have to think, It's true.

No surprise. I doubt that he was ever behind Horn.

I surely ain't giving up on X. It's still too early for that. See me after the season, and then we can have a discussion.

I can't say that with T-Mac on the roster. Tetairoa has unicorn upside in my opinion. I do agree about XL. People are jumping the gun to a fault (and faults lead to a DQ).

One could make an argument, but I don't think it'd be a strong argument. T-Mac is a legit one. He put up those yards quickly and but for turning his head around quickly would've had a TD to boot. I've always liked Coker and never believed that he was in any danger of being cut. He looks to be an excellent value right now, and I believe one could make a strong case that he's our second best receiver, but I think some of y'all are going way overboard with relatively few snaps in a preseason game. Even if it's conceded that Coker was our best receiver last season, this season is just ramping up. We don't have the total picture, and that is even more true due to a lack of access this year at practices. It's still early, and we have yet to see X and Renfrow, much less Old Man Thielen in much of any capacity. The pecking order is still working its way out. We've hardly seen many snaps at all. Hell Bryce only had six throwing attempts the other night. That's nothing. September into October will be a much better gauge.

Well, NFL Trade Rumors could be wrong, I don't know. Maybe they're referring to a different list or something. That aside, he's still middling (but I guess some players have to be). https://nfltraderumors.co/panthers-name-austin-corbett-starting-center/

I mean, if we're only talking "proven talent," that's one thing. Whether or not Horn is "elite" is another discussion. And you can always make an argument about how valuable oft injured, yet talented players are based on availability, I feel that's another discussion as well. I think that Ickey is proven talent. He could be considered elite at run blocking and serviceable at pass blocking as an LT. I think that he has proven to have NFL starter's level talent, but that that talent may be better as an OG than an LT. At the end of the day, I'd hate to see our team without Horn and Ickey (and Renfrow, really, but he's a lot more expendable due to depth). In my opinion, the team's talent level certainly takes a hit when they aren't playing.

PFF seems to reflect your opinion. AC played five games last season, and out of 35 qualifiers PFF ranked him 18th.

I really don't think there's anyway we end up as the least talented roster, but no need to debate it because things will begin to be revealed. I can't see a list of "proven talent" without Jaycee. If the list is proven talent I think he has to be on it. I would probably include Ekwonu and Renfrow as well. Injuries and the occasional brain fart doesn't make talent "unproven" if you will, maybe inconsistent.

I would include Renfrow in that group, just saying.

Well, if he stays healthy, he should be center for the long run. He's earned it from everything I've been reading.

Always trying to frame an argument by putting words in people's mouths, displaying juvenile clowning based upon your own words and throwing out insults when a person calls it out. That's the shtick.

First of all, you can think what you want. I've been told that I am intelligent by much better than the likes of you. Intelligent people don't really have to proclaim it. People generally just know that a person is intelligent based upon their quality of thought. In my experience, people of lower IQ and/or those who have other personal issues respond with insults because they are intimidated simply because they know they're not as intelligent. I have never self-proclaimed to be intelligent that I recall, and if I did, it's only in response to your repeated assholery. You got issues, bud. Secondly, 32 teams didn't need a QB or perceived that they needed a QB. Of the ones that did, some logically thought that there were better options, and I certainly can't say the ones that did colluded. I will say that NFL execs and coaches aren't beyond being affected by narratives based upon things other than a person's ability, are even affected by media-driven b.s., and they certainly are subject to the politics of it all, as was the case with Collin Kaepernick for example.

Simplistic argument meant to divert discussion from reality. No surprises.

See there you go with that shtick. No one, here at least, is "slobbering" over anyone. I find it "embarrassing" that y'all won't admit that Shedeur got hosed during the draft for something other than his talent and potential to play QB in the NFL. I find it highly "embarrassing" that what are supposedly educated football fans essentially co-signing a nonsensical slide by using some johnny-come-lately, ultimately nonsensical justifications for a slide to the fifth round. It is "embarrassing," but it's certainly not surprising.

Yeah, OK. Plenty of people, including an undisclosed NFL exec, disagrees about learning anything new. Sanders exceeded expectations for many people. As for what "we don't know," we can say that about some starters now, but especially rookies who have never taken a snap "when games matter."

He looked a lot better than many QBs that I've seen," and that's saying something considering that he hasn't been availed the same opportunities and resources as those QBs. And, like I told you before, he was playing "with guys who will be working at the Amazon warehouse in a couple of weeks," if you want to put it like that, and that's all he has played with since becoming an NFL employee.

I haven't seen one person anoint him a star. Now I have seen people say that his performance was not surprising, and I have seen people say that his performance was an affirmation that QB needy teams shouldn't have let him drop, and I'd say they are absolutely right. And, as I've said, the 2nd and 3rd string thing goes both ways, because that's all of what he's been playing with (even fourth stringers), and we all know that that's a big disadvantage. He deserves a better shot than he's been given, and, I dare say, he looked like a viable NFL QB. It would seem that people are simply hating on him unnecessarily for whatever reasons.

"Oddly?" Lance was super young with relatively little playing time when he was drafted. An actual good situation combined with smart coaches can make a difference. It's still early for the rookie, but from what I heard, Shough isn't looking like the next second round gem. If he hasn't distanced himself from Rattler, the Saints FO is probably already thinking about next draft.