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BPA is based on the board, not the WR position. Some want to make it about WR because of their own notions, but it's about the board and whoever is at the top of it.

I mean, it's really not germaine to the ultimate point, which is what was quoted.

And what analysts are those? The ones I listen to say that this is the year to finally get our answer about whether he's the future or not. As a matter of fact I haven't heard anyone endorse him, it's all based in hope for the nice guy.

"So much of what the Panthers are going to do next week isn't dictated by their preference, but by what happens above them. That's another benefit of not getting locked into need. For instance, if you're thinking you want a receiver, seeing five or six of them go off the board and reacting by taking the sixth or seventh off your list instead of the first (or second or third) something else isn't necessarily wise." https://www.panthers.com/news/ask-the-old-guy-back-into-the-weeds-of-the-nfl-draft-bryce-young-charlotte-hornets-mock-draft This is what some don't seem to get, I don't care how many times it is said: You're NOT going to draft an inferior person at one position, just because that position is perceived as, or is in fact, a bigger need. That would basically nullify, or at least lessen, the reason why you set yourself up via free agency to be able to take the BPA/BAP on the board in the first place. Yes, the process is complex, very much involved and ongoing, but the overall philosophy is not rocket science. You set yourself up in order not to be pigeonholed into taking a lower graded player at the expense of a higher graded one. This is why Morgan, Gantt and countless of others say the same thing. This is why it's just nonsensical to set yourself in a position where you don't have to, but then act like you have to come hell or high water: "Oh, we have to draft [whatever position], and we can't draft [this position]." I'm good with whatever they do, until proven otherwise, but even then, you have to be mature enough to know that drafting is an imperfect exercise, filled with hits and misses. And, you generally don't know if you've hit, and especially missed, right away. Moreover, like I've said before, sometimes two players--different positions or not--can both be hits on their respective teams, so in that sense, it's not purely about a right or wrong pick as much as it's about putting puzzle pieces together at the time the best way that you know how. At the end of the day, people are going to believe what they want to believe, but one thing that's true is that what the Panthers do regarding the draft is dependent upon what others do, and what others do can and does change things. That being the case, it's just another reason why you can't go in with tunnel vision. The thought of doing that is preposterous.

Even if you're correct, that doesn't mean that he should be. If it was a class with more clear-cut boundary X receivers, he almost certainly wouldn't be.

Thieneman has a couple of things to improve, especially suspect angles at times, but coaching and hopefully experience should help him to unlock upside. The reason that I like him is that I think that he's the perfect fit for what we need at the position. Those type of instincts, speed and athleticism at the safety position shouldn't be taken for granted in my opinion, and though they aren't exactly rare, they are rare enough. I feel that his presence, especially in fitting what this defense needs, will elevate the team more than any other need that we have, and do it for years to come. That being said, I don't think moving up to get him is off the table. If he is gone, I do think we'll go receiver, unless maybe Fano falls or my fellow Dawg Monroe Freeling. In that case there will probably be a discussion, but I think receiver will win out, whether it's Concepcion or Cooper.

Tyson has had so many injuries, ain't no way I think that we should draft him in the first. Some team may bite, but I hope it's not us, especially considering that Ted Hurst can probably be had on day 2.

Pretty dumb considering that I said that if I were picking, I'd probably pick Thieneman, but as usual some of you Huddlers truly seem like you just have a difficult time with more than any thing that's surface analysis. Hell, if I didn't know y'all's Huddle face anyway, I'd think that some of you just have issues with reading comprehension, but I'm going to give y'all that much credit. So, I guess it's just nonsensical trolling.

Honestly, I think Pauline may be right. If Thieneman is there, he just might be the pick. My thing is what we would have to give up to move up if he's still sitting there at...let's say 16. If there's no movement and he's actually sitting there at 19, it will come down to how we value the safety position--whether or not we believe his positional value justifies the pick. Emmanwori wasn't picked until the second. I bet a few teams wished they had picked him last year in the first. I'm not gonna lie, Thieneman would probably be my pick.

It's surely something to think about. Thieneman is the better fit for us, and I think that's pretty undeniable. Picking Emmanuel McNeil-Warren could be a duplication. I guess it would depend upon whether they're really convicted about him at the FS spot.

That's pretty stupid, considering that plenty of football analysts say that we should pick a WR high. So, believe it or not, you're the one in the minority. Tells you how smart you are.

Blah blah blah. You don't stop building your team because the QB hasn't shown you the consistency that you want. Anything other than keeping pressing on is managerial incompetence. One monkey doesn't stop the show; you ultimately replace the damned monkey. Coker hasn't shown any consistency to be a WR2, much less anything more. At this point we can't even rely on him to stay on the field. He's a solid receiver, but doesn't provide the speed or dynamicism that will open up the offense; That's the real elephant in the room. We're going to draft a receiver on day one or two; I'd bet on it. Maybe not a lot of WR1 upside, but some quality upside is definitely there in this draft.

Yeah, I said it in the other thread last night: if we want Thieneman, we'd likely have to jump Minny to get him. Mel Kiper mocked McNeil-Warren to us, so there's that.

But XL does work at his craft by all accounts. It just hasn't translated to game days.

I guess working on hands does work?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2026/04/14/dianna-russini-resigns-the-athletic-mike-vrabel-photos-patriots/89611491007/

Of course he could just be putting on a show, but I get the impression that there are a few guys ahead of Sadiq. TE just isn't a priority in our offense. From what we ask them to do, I guess a committee is good enough.

They would have to move up ahead of the Vikings to get Thieneman. I don't think they'd do it.

Oh, he had world.class.speed, which I mentioned, but you appear to be correct about his twitchiness. After just a quick Google, apparently it was his inability to understand route concepts is what really led to his journeyman status in the league. Depending upon whom you look at, most say Concepcion has a good understanding of routes (but, of course, there's always room for growth). But, like Ginn, at least to this stage, Concepcion has had his fair share of drops.

And you know this how? Stay in your lane, junior. I'm pretty sure I'm a lot older than you, am a whole lot more experienced with life, and have watched football in earnest probably longer than you've been alive. I agree, but I was talking directly about injuries. As far as the economics, I'm assuming that Moton would have to take a pay cut and would probably be compelled to if he wants to stay in Charlotte. He seems like a thoughtful and practical guy. He knows that he's getting older and realizes the nature of the business. Hell, last time there were were questions on whether he would be here the last season. Dan and Brandt were dialing up the pressure. I don't think they're going to go into any type of contractual extension discussions without having a backup plan--i.e., a person that will appear to be Moton's replacement. And, to be honest, that person may be Moton's replacement depending how things go. But, I get the impression that Moton wants to be in Charlotte (unless he's developed some undying desire to chase a championship somewhere else).

I just don't get the Moton thing. He played in 16 games last season (and the playoff game). He's had worse seasons from that perspective. His health hasn't really been an issue, and his actual play is still solid. Why are you throwing dirt on him? Some tackles play well into their thirties.

#2 means nothing except that you're supporting the #1. Anyone in management knows that.

Putting aside the obviously different playing speed and ability to separate by simply looking at them play, to put it bluntly, do these two profiles sound anything alike? In short, Metchie is kinda meh and Concepcion has juice. Believe it or not, sometimes the juice is worth the squeeze. Many analysts, including Reception Perception's Matt Harmon, thinks it is in Concepcion's case.