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That's what he gets trying to play GM, and that's what Duke Tobin and Mike Brown get for essentially letting their QB make personnel decisions. Cry me a River, Joe.

But that's just an opinion essentially based upon three games---basically nothing. As for "great" career, that's in the eye of the beholder. I'd say that if he becomes a starter or even a high end backup, that may not be great, but it would be good. If he ends up a long term starter, then that is pretty great. But I could argue that less than a dozen QBs have had "great" careers for the last 50 years. It's just a matter of definition. There are certainly a number of QBs drafted higher than Sanders and with much higher expectations that have ended up as backups or out of the league altogether. If he has any kind of staying power, he's already overachieved according to many.

It's a matter of perspective. Hell, TB12 was skipped over 198 times for example. I mean, Montana, Wilson, Dak and a few others were skipped many times before they were drafted. Warner and Romo went undrafted for Pete's sake. Don't get me started on misses (and not just QBs). His attitude didn't help, but it was reported just as much that scouts/execs didn't necessarily believe he was a day one or two guy. Like I suggested, we'll never know the whole story. Moreover, you can't get around the fact that he's handled his situation in Cleveland with flying colors. That's been widely reported as well.

But he was drafted...just not where he wanted to be drafted. No one really can say with ironclad clarity as to why. It was probably a combination of things (including their belief in his capabilities), but it wasn't because he told the Ravens not to draft him, as he did that on day three of the draft (and was drafted three spots later).

My bad, I was referring to the Falcons game

I mean, you probably should've waited after the season is over before "going there," that way we we'd have four more games of comparison and discussion. Don't get me wrong, I occasionally go out on a limb, but Bryce just had his best game and has given people hope (which could realistically be false hope), and Shedeur just doesn't have that many games under his belt (even if he does look promising), one of them being against the Titans. No harm in being patient and letting things play out. If you noticed, Tepper seems to be taking a wait-and-see attitude, and he didn't mention Bryce in the clip in the other thread. I'm still highly skeptical of Bryce (and glad that Sanders has shown an ounce of success), but the reality is that we have to let things play out. The Sanders train left long ago (if it was even here). But,there are more realistic options if Bryce turns back into a frog.

Just shooting the sh¡t. At the end of the day, the Browns aren't going to let Shedeur go anywhere if he keeps showing like he did Sunday, much less improving upon it. On an off note, speaking of improvement, I hope Bryce doesn't sh¡t the bed like he's been prone to do while we're actually still fighting for something. This is the time for him to keep improving.

Oh it absolutely makes a difference to have your people talk to the GM in private than to make public proclamations. I really don't understand how anyone could say different, but I guess it's an opinion. I can't say what view the league had. I believe it was more about pre-draft stuff than anything that happened on day three. Of course the Browns drafted him 3 picks later, so at this point it doesn't really matter, as he's in the league. Deion Sanders has taken a step back. He's always going to be in the picture to some extent because of who he is. As a father, it's OK to guide your son in private, and it's also OK to praise him publicly.

Dude, you're kinda comparing apples to oranges. What Elway did and what Eli did were different than what Shedeur did. Shedeur did not publicly demand anything. It was through back channels and was more like a request. The Ravens understood and honored it. But even if you consider it entitlement (which is debatable regardless if you want to admit it or not), it was to a much lesser degree. After sliding, Sanders really didn't have any leverage whatsoever. As for his attitude you can obviously believe what you want, but it has been widely reported that Shedeur's attitude has been great since being in the league. Opinions about what he is, will become or won't become is getting way ahead of ourselves. I prefer to just wait and see what happens. He's young and has had a pretty good start. Highlight-reel-plays aren't a bad thing. I'm not invested in trying to pull the kid down. I realize that just like any other QB that has been drafted into the league, it's hard to say what they will become unless you see an appreciable body of work. Three games ain't really it. I'll withhold judgment on what I believe he can become after I see more.

Technically, he wasn't in the league when the Ravens called, but for discussion's sake Iet's assume that he was. The Ravens thing wasn't exactly a negative either. It's all about perspective, empathy and really having an open mind---and an independent mind, not necessarily given into trite, good-boy-bad-boy narratives of an institution that has had problems of varying degrees on its own as a whole. As for Sanders' abilities during college or three games into his pro career, sure I've seen better, but I've seen a lot worse. In my estimation, he deserves an honest chance just like any kid that's drafted into the league. He may not get it, due to the nature of the beast, but it's not because he's been stinking up the field.

It could be more about parity than mediocrity. You can throw in some inconsistency on the Panthers' part.

Give up that pipedream. The formula is set in stone. Everyone knows that outside of an anomaly here and there, the QB is the most important player on the team and biggest catalyst to Super Bowl appearances and wins. Within that same vein, the numbers that matter most are the revenue numbers from TV deals, and as long as those go up, the QBs' hands will be in the cookie jar before anyone else's.

There is an argument that his dad's name has been a ball-and-chain. Shedeur hasn't acted entitled at all while he's been in this league. He's actually been saying the right things from all the reports I've heard. He's still a young guy, so solid maturity is going to take a little while. I agree that his body of work is very scant, but comparatively to other rookies with two or three starts, he's looked better. He isn't supposed to be perfect, but he's definitely shown a little promise. Perhaps with more starts he will improve. I don't think that's exactly going out on a limb to say that...

I wish Tepper would've allowed that to happen again during this era...

Derrick Brown was one player I never called or even suggested was a bust . Dude was young and hadn't even hit his stride. It takes time to learn the position. The thing I appreciated about him is that he kept improving season after season. He got paid and keeps on going like the Energizer Bunny.

I guess neither Sanders or Evans hits the spot. Tremble only once in awhile. New Huddle thing: "Can he play TE?"

Damn, that was bad. In my defense, I was settling in for my midday catnap. Yeah, I generally need one of those...

We took Luke when we had Jon Beason, and a hurt Jonathon Brooks when we had Chuba. Just noting. I don't think teams are going to pass up on an impact player regardlessly if whether they need something else. There's a good argument that drafting an inferior player, and especially an obviously inferior player, based upon need is a pathway to failure. I'm glad we took Tetairoa McMillan even though there were arguably bigger needs.

Well, I told y'all about a month ago that advanced stats were actually in his favor.

Me too. Getting into a rhythm is so understated, but important in my opinion. I just think Chuba should be the lead back---definitely the short-yardage back---and Rico the change of pace guy. That being said, it's not a black and white proposition which is why I still think Canales is having a confusing time trying to balance.

Being that I didn't think of that, it's not disingenuous at all. Maybe an erroneous analysis based upon incomplete information. That being said, The season is still ongoing, and you still can't nullify the Bryce effect. Keep in mind that both Chase's and Jefferson's target shares are above McMillan's right now. Lastly, all I said is that he is in their stratosphere, and I'm not coming off of it. If you look at his total EPA (expected points added), McMillan's is higher than Chase's or Jefferson's, and is indeed top 5 in the league. And I wouldn't be surprised if there are some other metrics where he ranks very highly. Like I said, with better QB play and (I'll add) perhaps better play design or coaching strategy, T-mac will be a beast. No need to downplay him. https://sumersports.com/players/wide-receiver/

Bryce isn't nearly a top QB in the NFL. That's not "bashing," it's just honesty. He averages under 200 yards per game (also true). He's not doing any of our receivers any favors when looking at simple stats, much less the totality of his stats. Even still, I haven't expressly compared him to the top QBs in the NFL, or suggested that the only reason he is 20th is because others are injured or stink. You're kinda comparing apples to oranges. Moreover, my loyalty is to the team---what's best for the Panthers---not just one player. "Keep pounding," is a motto for the entire organization and fans, and doesn't refer to just McMillan in this instance (or Young).

Hell, "average at best," in pass pro is a low key bashing. Hell, he still can't get recognition for being average for arguably the most important part of his job.