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#46 MichaelNewtonII

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:36 PM

where's the video?



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:50 PM

I like the Heat and the idea of this just makes me shake my head.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:52 PM

There are tons of excepts to that.

I.E re-signing your own free agents (bird rights).

And I'm pretty sure you can go over the cap to sign free agents because that's exactly what Brooklyn did last year.

 

But if you have bird rights on a player, that player still counts against the cap.

 

Lets say Lebron and Wade opt out of their contracts this summer- Miami doesnt just get a bunch of cap space right away.  Their bird rights still count against the cap (around the amount they were paid the previous season), so they cant go out and sign Melo then resign their own guys using bird rights.

 

The only way you can really get away with it is if you have a player just coming off his rookie deal who is about to get a big extension, then his bird rights number might be $10 million less than he will get on his next contract.

 

The only way you can sign free agents when you are over the cap is to use the mid-level exception, which is around $5 million or so (which I think gets cut in half if you are over the luxury tax).  Brooklyn didnt sign any big free agents last summer, they just traded for them or did a sign-and-trades for them.  Which is why Brooklyn is missing like 5 1st round picks over the next decade



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 02:54 PM

The NBA seems to sit back and enjoy this kind of stuff. I feel like they were really pleased when those guys went to Miami. They seem to love the PR whether it's good or bad. It's probably because the NBA fan is so different these days. These kids are loyal to players instead of teams that represent cities. 



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 10:56 PM

 

where's the video?

 

 

didn't see a link there.



#51 CarolinaPanthers8789

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 11:08 PM

Bosh says it's not gonna happen.

But Chris Bosh on Thursday denied an ESPN report that the team’s top players have already started to explore ways to create enough salary cap space to pull this off. In fact, Bosh said he, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade have never once discussed the scenario of adding Anthony to the mix or how it can be accomplished. (It would require monumental pay cuts by all four.) “I think that’s very, very unlikely,” Bosh said of such a Big Four scenario, with Anthony as the fourth



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 06:25 AM

With the way Miami played the last two games, it won't happen. Bosh is invisible and Wade is a flopping, injured crybaby. Lebron has two rings already. Pretty sure hes done having fun in the sun. He's def not going to stay down there with Wade and Bosh.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 06:52 AM

With the way Miami played the last two games, it won't happen. Bosh is invisible and Wade is a flopping, injured crybaby. Lebron has two rings already. Pretty sure hes done having fun in the sun. He's def not going to stay down there with Wade and Bosh.

 

I think you are correct.

 

Wade is washed up....and Bosh has become a one trick pony sitting on the 3 point arc.

 

I see him either forcing Wade out and getting another star in Miami, or moving on.......he needs it because he cannot win the title with him and a group of good role players.  He needs other stars on the team.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 09:47 AM

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Report: After meeting with Phil Jackson & Derek Fisher last night, Carmelo still has all intentions of opting out of his contract w/ Knicks.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:41 PM

It would still be the big 3, Wade is done.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:33 AM

If Miami is able to sign another big name player while keeping the big three then I have a feeling the league will have major problems. The fans, owners, players and coaches will all be pissed and not to mention you will end up having all the good players trying to go on one team making only a handful of teams that could compete and the rest will be bad teams. This cannot be allowed to happen.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:44 AM

Really interesting article from Zach Lowe on a radical solution to this (and other) issues- The elimination of the maximum salary
http://grantland.com...-contracts-nba/

The Mystery of Max Money

What would happen if the NBA removed limits on individual player salaries?

 
That has raised the specter of Carmelo Anthony taking a pay cut to leave New York and make it a Big Four in Miami. The mere mention of that possibility, coupled with Kevin Love’s inevitable (and fairly ugly) departure from small-market Minnesota, have already reinvigorated long-held concerns about the NBA’s brass ring of competitive balance. At the center of it all lies a question: Can the NBA chase the dream of an even more robust free-agency market — more “player sharing,” as the league likes to say — while still helping teams, and especially small-market teams, keep their own stars?

Fans have an ambiguous relationship with players controlling the situation. The summer of 2010 prompted an outcry in some corners that the players had rigged the game. Fans had no problem when tinkerers atop the Lakers and Celtics “built” the super-teams of the 1980s, but they raised hell when players did the same thing themselves. That is a weird incongruity.

On the flip side, fans appear to hate super-teams until the moment there are none. We recall the late 1970s, when the championship toggled among unremarkable clubs, as the league’s coke-infested nadir. There is an almost pathological determination to point out that today’s teams couldn’t possibly compete with Bird’s Celtics and Magic’s Lakers. There is overlap in the Venn diagrams displaying fans who deride today’s super-teams and fans who think the NBA reached its glorious height with the powerhouses of the 1980s.

At the intersection of all this chatter lies the magic-bullet solution to competitive balance, tanking, and the conspiratorial construction of the All-Star colossus: scrapping the ceiling on individual player salaries. Lots of smart thinkers both inside and outside the league have pitched this as a catch-all fix.

The theoretical Big Four, and perhaps the Big Three before them, wouldn’t be able to team up if rival suitors could toss $40 million per season at LeBron. That is closer to LeBron’s true value, and what he would “deserve” if the NBA functioned as a free-market economy. In that perspective, the league’s dozen best players are effectively subsidizing the much larger middle class. The salary ceiling keeps the majority of the players’ union members happy, and it might help general managers build deeper rosters. But it also places an artificial restraint on a player’s earning capacity and leads general managers to inevitably overpay mid-tier veterans.

Teams angling to sign a superstar at an unlimited salary wouldn’t tank, because no superstar in his prime is going to a roster designed to lose games. If there are a dozen players truly worth the max, it seems obvious the league would generate more parity by placing those players on a dozen different teams.

Removing salary limits is an appealing idea, and it would probably inject a bit more balance into the league. Players would have to make a real choice based on wildly divergent salary amounts, roster strength, and other variables. Capping max salaries today works to (almost) equalize what everyone can offer, and that allows players to choose teams based on other variables: market size, the appeal of a team’s city, tax laws, and the presence of another superstar. A certain subset of teams will always lose out in that choice.



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 10:45 PM

idk why people are so against this happening. who cares? Miami's problem wasn't lack of offense. it was zero defense. Carmelo might actually hurt the heat



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Posted 23 June 2014 - 01:26 AM

So would it be the Big 2 now?  Wade isn't even close to what he was when they originally came together, and Bosh has decided he's just going to post up on the 3-point line all game.

 

With the exception of Jordan, I've never been a huge volume shooter fan... and that's because he's Michael fuging Jordan, and he was transcendent (and you knew that poo was going in).  That, and aside from 3's, he was good-great at pretty much every facet of the game


Edited by RelaxImaPro, 23 June 2014 - 01:27 AM.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 06:23 AM

Miami just got absolutely demoralized because of age and bench play among other things and you guys are concerned that trying to tie up even more money in only 4 players is going to give them a run at 73-9? This isn't 2k and Melo doesn't really solve the issues they had last season. He's just a name. They'd be more dangerous if they got a point guard and a center and a bench that didn't force them to wear LeBron down.

The southeast alone will have Washington, Charlotte, Atlanta, and Orlando all on the uptick if they stay healthy and all could potentially make the playoffs. Most of the lottery picks are going to the east and the spurs and western conference in general don't appear to be breaking up anytime soon.


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