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Why Are We Still Missing A Deep Shot Passing Game?

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4 hours ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

The correct answer is 100% the lack of pass protection from the poor OL play. Cam simply doesn't have the time to sit back in the pocket and wait for the speedy guys to get past the defense downfield. And when they try a timing route too far downfield, defense has time to adjust while ball is in air, and the safeties pick it off.

Not true Cam held the ball awhile against a decent Falcons pass rush. It's more just no one getting open. I still have no clue why we didn't bring in the best deep ball WR in the game in D. Jax. Pair him with one of the best deep ball QB's in the game in Cam and Shula might would have been a HC next year. 

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2 hours ago, Snake said:

Not true Cam held the ball awhile against a decent Falcons pass rush. It's more just no one getting open. I still have no clue why we didn't bring in the best deep ball WR in the game in D. Jax. Pair him with one of the best deep ball QB's in the game in Cam and Shula might would have been a HC next year. 

Same here. Gettleman shitted the bed with paying out the ass for an unproved LT in Matt Kalil while he could have paid some respectable sum to Desean Jackson and we could've been killing it this season. And I bet Moton is probably better than Kalil even if hes a rookie, could he really be that much worse ? Kalil is reminding me lately of SB 50 and 2016 Mike Remmers. 

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37 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Same here. Gettleman shitted the bed with paying out the ass for an unproved LT in Matt Kalil while he could have paid some respectable sum to Desean Jackson and we could've been killing it this season. And I bet Moton is probably better than Kalil even if hes a rookie, could he really be that much worse ? Kalil is reminding me lately of SB 50 and 2016 Mike Remmers. 

D. Jax probably would have came here for less. Would have been the first time in his career he got a legit QB. I honestly don't think Dave was allowed to play FA. JR just brought back a bunch of old Panthers and Ryans brother. It's really hard to figure out what was Dave and what was JR this year. I still say Dave's biggest blunder was how he handled Josh Norman. That was 100% Dave. 

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6 hours ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

 Just not confident the OL can protect long enough when defenses bring any kind of pressure. 

 

    Well, to be fair. It is difficult to throw deep when a Defense brings pressure. Which is why Offenses try to recognize when a blitz is coming. So they can find the hot route, and get the ball out quicker.

 

    

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6 hours ago, Darknight said:

His throwing motion does look different to me. I thought I was going crazy

 

    I was wondering if I was seeing thing, because no one else seemed to notice. But man, it looks different this year. Of course it could be because we know what he has gone through, so we may be seeing things. 

 

    That said, man, it sure looks a lot less smooth than I remember.

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19 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

   As to his passing stats lately. I truly believe that Olsen is a bigger loss than what we expected. Now KB is gone. Cam really does not have a lot of practice time with who we have. Other than Funch anyway.

 

Without the slightest doubt, this was a bigger hit than anything else for the year. Dickson had that one stellar game and some good ones, but it's not the same impact Olsen has on how defenses play. Olsen disrupting the center of the field, requiring good or double coverage, has been a key to not just our passing game, but our running game as well. Dickson has been good, but he doesn't have that same threat ability, plus there's no one to take up for the role Dickson was playing in our two TE sets (Manhertz just ain't cutting it at all). 

Olsen comes back and things will start getting better. If he hits the ground running and playing as hard as he did before, the roof will tear off this thing fast.

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17 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Yeah, with Benji traded and Olsen on IR, Cam only targeted 6 players on Sunday and only 3 of them made catches!!

I've just gone back and reviewed all games since Cam arrived in 2011. Only one other time did he have fewer than 5 players catching passes - our playoff loss to San Fran in 2013, when 4 players recorded catches.

3 players making catches is just shockingly low... Definitely suggests Chemistry is not quite there with some of the new guys.

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O-line failing to protect Cam enough on long developing plays seems to be an issue combined with a lack of deep threats since Ginn left

hoping samuel get's some shots to burn some people 

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4 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Without the slightest doubt, this was a bigger hit than anything else for the year. Dickson had that one stellar game and some good ones, but it's not the same impact Olsen has on how defenses play. Olsen disrupting the center of the field, requiring good or double coverage, has been a key to not just our passing game, but our running game as well. Dickson has been good, but he doesn't have that same threat ability, plus there's no one to take up for the role Dickson was playing in our two TE sets (Manhertz just ain't cutting it at all). 

Olsen comes back and things will start getting better. If he hits the ground running and playing as hard as he did before, the roof will tear off this thing fast.

 

    You know what gets my giddy going? If we win Monday, we will be 7-3 at the bye. With Olsen coming back, and Byrd a week later. 

 

    With still 7 weeks to go, plus the bye. We have Samuel, and Shep taking on larger roles. Which means they will be getting larger chunks of those practice reps. The more practice time they get with Cam, the more comfortable Cam will be during the games.

 

    Throw in Cam's comfort level with Greg, (Which should only hinge on the level of play Greg can achieve.) and getting Byrd's speed back on the field.

 

    So...IMO, by the end of the year. The chemistry, which seems to be in the beginning stages, could very well be in full bloom.

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If we hit a few underneath routes that are cleared by the deep ones, then the opposing safeties will start thinking which is what we want. Then we may have more one on ones with some deep attempts, but we have to throw to the wide open crossing (often Shepard) first.

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Because with the exception of the last game, we have not done much in the running game. If we start averaging 150-200 yards/game, the deep ball will be there with the one-on-one matchups we need ... But then, Mike Shula may send TEs and people like Funchess on go routes

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37 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

If we hit a few underneath routes that are cleared by the deep ones, then the opposing safeties will start thinking which is what we want. Then we may have more one on ones with some deep attempts, but we have to throw to the wide open crossing (often Shepard) first.

 

    Why is it that we don't seem to use the crossing routes like other teams. I mean, yeah, we use it, but with the speed Samuel, Shep, and Byrd when he returns (Hopefully) possess, that pattern has success written all over it.

 

    I know it's easy to say behind my keyboard, and maybe I miss a few. But to my eyes, we don't utilize it enough. Outs, and fades? Yup. Curls? Those to. Posts, and seams? Why yes Gertrude, those too. But crossing routes? They just don't seem, to me, to be the staple they maybe should be. 

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