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Why Are We Still Missing A Deep Shot Passing Game?

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2 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    IMO, the lack of chemistry is the biggest issue. I mean, how many reps does he have with Clay, and he got the only deep pass I remember from Sun.. The same with Samuel. When the chemistry starts to click, maybe the deeper throws will come.

Yeah, with Benji traded and Olsen on IR, Cam only targeted 6 players on Sunday and only 3 of them made catches!!

I've just gone back and reviewed all games since Cam arrived in 2011. Only one other time did he have fewer than 5 players catching passes - our playoff loss to San Fran in 2013, when 4 players recorded catches.

3 players making catches is just shockingly low... Definitely suggests Chemistry is not quite there with some of the new guys.

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Go back and watch any series on offense and at least 1 time you will see Kalil or Williams get absolutely destroyed by the pass rush on the edge, as well as a ton of pressure right up the middle on Larsen or Norwell, or a missed protection assignment and Turner is trying to block 2 guys.

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I thought KB was the problem, ain't that why we traded him? Outside of Cam running, offense was still trash by the way. 

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3 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Dang, I hadn't thought of that. But, I also hope that it isn't true. If his shoulder is still sore. He is hiding it well. But then again, IMO, his throwing motion looks different this year. Is that me? Or does anyone else see that?

His throwing motion does look different to me. I thought I was going crazy

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I wonder if our offense is changing by week to week into whatever they're trying to do. We only had 1 deep throw to Clay last week. KB said he felt the offense going into a different direction. Maybe the lack of run game is hurting the passing game. Maybe Shula does have something he's trying to integrate that could work. 

I also had to add this, but somebody said Stew kills this team momentum every time he touches the ball and it's true, look at this

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Stew for some reason didn't follow the blockers and there was a hole that opened between 79 and 68 but as you can see by his lack of quickness on that cutback, I don't see the burst that Stew could have hit it fast enough

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1 hour ago, rayzor said:

i thought the plan was to move away from that. when we did it, we weren't doing it well (at least this year and a lot of last).

we were supposed to be moving from a low percentage passing game to a higher one and i think we kind of started doing that more consistently.

run game got some traction this week, whether it's sustainable is something we'll have to wait and see on, but if it is then we might see some deeper stuff open up but i think the evolution is taking hold a little.

less big plays and more "just move the chains" plays.

just an idea...

Agree. It seems the gripe morphed from why we only go deep to why we never go deep in the blink of a eye 

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Because the Saints signed our #1 deep thread !!! I know, he sometimes couldn't catch the ball ... but, when he ran deep ... OMG ...

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4 hours ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

The correct answer is 100% the lack of pass protection from the poor OL play. Cam simply doesn't have the time to sit back in the pocket and wait for the speedy guys to get past the defense downfield. And when they try a timing route too far downfield, defense has time to adjust while ball is in air, and the safeties pick it off.

Not true Cam held the ball awhile against a decent Falcons pass rush. It's more just no one getting open. I still have no clue why we didn't bring in the best deep ball WR in the game in D. Jax. Pair him with one of the best deep ball QB's in the game in Cam and Shula might would have been a HC next year. 

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2 hours ago, Snake said:

Not true Cam held the ball awhile against a decent Falcons pass rush. It's more just no one getting open. I still have no clue why we didn't bring in the best deep ball WR in the game in D. Jax. Pair him with one of the best deep ball QB's in the game in Cam and Shula might would have been a HC next year. 

Same here. Gettleman shitted the bed with paying out the ass for an unproved LT in Matt Kalil while he could have paid some respectable sum to Desean Jackson and we could've been killing it this season. And I bet Moton is probably better than Kalil even if hes a rookie, could he really be that much worse ? Kalil is reminding me lately of SB 50 and 2016 Mike Remmers. 

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37 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Same here. Gettleman shitted the bed with paying out the ass for an unproved LT in Matt Kalil while he could have paid some respectable sum to Desean Jackson and we could've been killing it this season. And I bet Moton is probably better than Kalil even if hes a rookie, could he really be that much worse ? Kalil is reminding me lately of SB 50 and 2016 Mike Remmers. 

D. Jax probably would have came here for less. Would have been the first time in his career he got a legit QB. I honestly don't think Dave was allowed to play FA. JR just brought back a bunch of old Panthers and Ryans brother. It's really hard to figure out what was Dave and what was JR this year. I still say Dave's biggest blunder was how he handled Josh Norman. That was 100% Dave. 

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6 hours ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

 Just not confident the OL can protect long enough when defenses bring any kind of pressure. 

 

    Well, to be fair. It is difficult to throw deep when a Defense brings pressure. Which is why Offenses try to recognize when a blitz is coming. So they can find the hot route, and get the ball out quicker.

 

    

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6 hours ago, Darknight said:

His throwing motion does look different to me. I thought I was going crazy

 

    I was wondering if I was seeing thing, because no one else seemed to notice. But man, it looks different this year. Of course it could be because we know what he has gone through, so we may be seeing things. 

 

    That said, man, it sure looks a lot less smooth than I remember.

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