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THOUGHT ON MATT KALIL

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He actually did find us a franchise LT in Oher. Injuries happen.  Dave scrambled. 

Matt is not good and that contract is horrible, I hope he rebounds next year but that’s not likely. And we don’t know if whitworth even wanted to come here. I don’t know why people are acting like we chose Matt over him. We haven’t a clue.

blue chip offensive lineman are going to continue to be hard to get. The talent in college is just not there and expect that to keep going down. That’s why norwell should be a priority over Star imo 

 

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4 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

No offense but I believe you might be a bit out of touch with how much money left tackles make, even bad ones

ill defer to Mr. Scott and others but after year 2, Panthers can cut bait I believe. Might even Have been this past season

Gettlemen may have had his issues but handing  out contracts not to the orgs advantage was not one of them 

 

 Ohhh... but he did. Cutting him after this season carries a 14.7M cap hit. There is no “out” like people keep claiming. Truth is, we haven’t even begun to pay for him like we will after this year. 

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19 hours ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

Keep him as OT, a lot of his early mistakes where mental which happens coming into a new scheme. Having another off-season for conditioning and having All-Pro Norwell next to him in 2018 will get this offense rolling.

We can extend Norwell & Star but will have to let other veterans go.

Cut: 

J-Stew

Dickson

Adams

Johnson

Gano

 

Cap is going to go up about another 5-10%. I heard on ESPN that bids for the supposed "dying Thursday Night Football" is coming in high from all the bidders.

Gano isn’t going anywhere, and the NFL is still king by a very wide margin. The Stories of the NFL’s death have been greatly exaggerated.

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4 minutes ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

Kalil > Oher, Remmers, Bell, Chandler 

 

Oher > Remmers>>>Kalil = Bell 

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21 hours ago, juliosantos said:

He had a real rough season for the price we paid for him and now we might not be able to re sign norwell  and we have no chance of cutting him this season because of all the dead money.If we do let norwell walk would we be better off moving matt inside and have moton play tackle? This has worked with the titans two years ago with byron bell and has worked this year with moving remmers to guard. Do you think kalil would be better as a guard then a tackle? yay or nay 

If Moton is worse than Matt Kalil at LT, we can go ahead and cut him now.

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20 hours ago, Mage said:

I supported Gettleman, but it astounds me he was willing to pay Kalil and not Norman. Terrible decision.

what is the cap penalty to cut Matt now, vs as soon as 2018 starts?

 almost a rhetorical question...

 as far as JN, that was a fug up on both sides.

 

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12 minutes ago, PandaPancake said:

This is a fan forum right?

I always thought it was T'n'A, then I found the football part.

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Matt was rough early on, but I thought he did a banged up job for the rest of the way.  He's serviceable at best.  Now as for Gettlemen giving him the money, I wasn't for that.  I wanted Kalil, but only on a prove it kind of deal.  I also wanted Riley Reiff.  If we had to give either the long term deal, I definitely was pushing that for Reiff, and bringing in Kalil to play RT.  Interestingly enough, Reiff is still playing in the playoffs.

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Everyone is bashing Gettleman, but with little cap money we went to the superbowl and won three consecutive conference titles .  Lets see who wins a superbowl first after this year.  Will it be the Giants with an aging qb and other problems or will it be the Panthers with Hurney and new ownership.   I hope its the Panthers , but i won't bash Gettleman until I see if we are better off without him as our GM .

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3 minutes ago, catnip said:

Everyone is bashing Gettleman, but with little cap money we went to the superbowl and won three consecutive conference titles .  Lets see who wins a superbowl first after this year.  Will it be the Giants with an aging qb and other problems or will it be the Panthers with Hurney and new ownership.   I hope its the Panthers , but i won't bash Gettleman until I see if we are better off without him as our GM .

DG has money. MH walked into some money...

The Giants are in a rebuilding mode. Can Hurney get it done for one year without blowing next years money? or 2020...

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5 minutes ago, catnip said:

Everyone is bashing Gettleman, but with little cap money we went to the superbowl and won three consecutive conference titles .  Lets see who wins a superbowl first after this year.  Will it be the Giants with an aging qb and other problems or will it be the Panthers with Hurney and new ownership.   I hope its the Panthers , but i won't bash Gettleman until I see if we are better off without him as our GM .

I was a super big supporter of DG.  However, after looking at his body of work and basically 2 faced approach. One side is whats best for the team and the other "he was a distraction"  In reference to Smitty and Norman. Both players were good for the team but were distractions or so they say.  I think those moves screwed us more than helped us.  Smitty, by far, was the best receiver on the team, KB or no KB.   Norman was by far the best DB we had yet he cut both of them.

His picks are marginal at best.  Sure he hit on a few but overall mediocre at best.   Shaq, KB and Butler were 1st round picks.  One isn't on the team anymore and the other two barely play.   Not good value for a 1st round pick.  He kind of reminds me of one of those people that think they know it all, and they don't.   

Free Agency were marginal too and he let Ginn go before we even drafted.  M. Kalil overpaid.  So while I liked him, facts are facts.   He wasn't as great as everyone made him out to be.  

I was on that bandwagon but going back looking at his body of work.  He wasn't all that.

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2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I was a super big supporter of DG.  However, after looking at his body of work and basically 2 faced approach. One side is whats best for the team and the other "he was a distraction"  In reference to Smitty and Norman. Both players were good for the team but were distractions or so they say.  I think those moves screwed us more than helped us.  Smitty, by far, was the best receiver on the team, KB or no KB.   Norman was by far the best DB we had yet he cut both of them.

His picks are marginal at best.  Sure he hit on a few but overall mediocre at best.   Shaq, KB and Butler were 1st round picks.  One isn't on the team anymore and the other two barely play.   Not good value for a 1st round pick.  He kind of reminds me of one of those people that think they know it all, and they don't.   

Free Agency were marginal too and he let Ginn go before we even drafted.  M. Kalil overpaid.  So while I liked him, facts are facts.   He wasn't as great as everyone made him out to be.  

I was on that bandwagon but going back looking at his body of work.  He wasn't all that.

I really don't get it. People make mistakes. Overall DG did a great job. He got us out of cap hell quicker than anybody thought we would be...Matt and Josh were bad/ misplayed decisions. 

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6 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I was a super big supporter of DG.  However, after looking at his body of work and basically 2 faced approach. One side is whats best for the team and the other "he was a distraction"  In reference to Smitty and Norman. Both players were good for the team but were distractions or so they say.  I think those moves screwed us more than helped us.  Smitty, by far, was the best receiver on the team, KB or no KB.   Norman was by far the best DB we had yet he cut both of them.

His picks are marginal at best.  Sure he hit on a few but overall mediocre at best.   Shaq, KB and Butler were 1st round picks.  One isn't on the team anymore and the other two barely play.   Not good value for a 1st round pick.  He kind of reminds me of one of those people that think they know it all, and they don't.   

Free Agency were marginal too and he let Ginn go before we even drafted.  M. Kalil overpaid.  So while I liked him, facts are facts.   He wasn't as great as everyone made him out to be.  

I was on that bandwagon but going back looking at his body of work.  He wasn't all that.

   Which is all anyone that doesn’t have a predetermined agenda for or against DG has ever said. He did good things and made mistakes. Just like every GM does. 

 And we had the best season in team history after cutting Smith. So remove 10M worth of players from that team while adding Smith. And the timing of the Norman one was the main problem. Not having the money during FA to replace him. And keeping him would have cost 25-30M over the past two years. Which players go to make up for that? 

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