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Multiple Fatalities Reported at Florida School Shooting

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9 minutes ago, g5jamz said:

Maybe not so much blood on hands, but a deflection of blame.  Sheriff and now the admins that openly lied and misled.  

I fully support programs that take kids that do misdemeanors and put them into a rehabilitation training instead of juvenile courts.

 

It appears Cruz signed up for his 2013 offense but did not complete the 3 days... so what.  Why are people bashing a program that is a proven success because this one kid did not finish it 5 years ago?

 

I dont get this deflection at all.

 

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Cruz’s high school discipline records, obtained by WLRN, show he got in trouble for fighting and verbal assault while at Stoneman Douglas — but those infractions didn’t meet the eligibility requirements for PROMISE. In both cases, he was suspended.

 

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Maybe if Stonemen Douglas was able to refer him they would have gotten him the counseling and skills he needed to deal with his anger.

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, g5jamz said:

Maybe not so much blood on hands, but a deflection of blame.  Sheriff and now the admins that openly lied and misled.  

Why should they be blamed?

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So Broward County had a problem of harsh discipline against its students - especially minority community students.

They took action and did a lot of work cleaning up their mess.  No some white kid gets easy access to a weapon made for killing people and a program which actually works in reducing school discipline problems especially for minority students is now under fire.

got to love these "tough on crime" mindset that think putting cruz into a juvenile system at 13 would have had a positive outcome.

 

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In the 2011-12 school year, more students were arrested at school, on the bus or at school-sponsored events in Broward County than any other district in Florida, according to a reportfrom the state Department of Juvenile Justice. That year, there were 1,062 school-related arrests in Broward, nearly twice the number of arrests in larger Miami-Dade, which reported 552.

Nearly 70 percent of the arrests were for misdemeanor crimes, and there were instances of kids getting handcuffed for throwing spitballs, according to a Sun Sentinel report at the time. The district found that “zero tolerance” discipline policies were disproportionately affecting children who were black or disabled. Lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender students were also more likely to be arrested than their peers.

In part at the urging of civil rights groups, Runcie led an effort to reform the district’s discipline policies. Administrators partnered with a variety of entities involved with juvenile justice — including law enforcement, the state attorney’s office, Broward Circuit Court Judge Elijah Williams, the NAACP and a county-based government agency that focuses on children’s affairs. The group consulted with another judge who had seen some success dealing with similar problems in Georgia.

The committee met for a year with the stated purpose of eliminating the “school-to-prison pipeline.” The result was PROMISE — an acronym that stands for Preventing Recidivism through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Supports and Education. It launched in 2013.

“The intention behind it was very clearly to find a way to impose consequences for bad behavior that wasn't too serious and didn't pose a threat to school safety,” said Maria Schneider, assistant state attorney in charge of the Juvenile Division in Broward and a member of the committee that developed PROMISE.

 

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Just now, 332nd said:

Why should they be blamed?

I don't know right.  People are blaming a lobbying group for the death of those kids.  You tell me.  Remember the town hall where the kid intimated that Rubio killed those kids?

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14 minutes ago, g5jamz said:

I don't know right.  People are blaming a lobbying group for the death of those kids.  You tell me.  Remember the town hall where the kid intimated that Rubio killed those kids?

Ok, people are blaming the NRA because they lobby to make it so firearms are easier to get. Dunno about Rubio, because I don't follow his voting. Maybe he votes in a way that makes firearms easier to get.

So why should the people with the Promise program be blamed? 

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Luckily they got the kid in the Cali school before he killed anyone today.  That means so far Australia gets to a win of the day for mass shooting.   What is it since 1996 it last won?

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

Luckily they got the kid in the Cali school before he killed anyone today.  That means so far Australia gets to a win of the day for mass shooting.   What is it since 1996 it last won?

 

 

Any day you can proactively stop a bad guy from doing a bad thing is good.  It's just naive to think we can halt evil.  

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8 minutes ago, g5jamz said:

Any day you can proactively stop a bad guy from doing a bad thing is good.  It's just naive to think we can halt evil.  

Looks like this 14 year old in Cali was not a mass shooter.  He brought in a rifle shot the kid he was arguing with and fled dropping the gun.

 

This Australia tragedy appears to be a Grandfather taking out his family including 4 kids then himself.

 

If only some guy in Australia was able to carry his gun to the movie theater...that granddad would have thought twice!

 

 

 

 

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The grandfather of the four autistic children who were found shot dead alongside three adults, including their mother and grandmother, at a remote Margaret River farm is being investigated.

The grisly murder-suicide at the home in Osmington, Western Australia, early Friday morning shocked the nation, and is Australia's worst mass shooting in two decades.

Police are turning their investigations towards Peter Miles, the husband of Cynda Miles and father of Katrina Cockman - who were both found dead at the 30 acre sustainable farm, The Australian reported.

Investigators are establishing whether Peter killed three generations of his family before taking his own life.

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a body count of 7 wouldn't even be the worst mass shooting this year in the USA

frankly when i see somebody posting stories like that i just figure they're arguing in bad faith and move on.  a grownup who is being intellectually honest wouldn't seriously think that someone in favor of gun control believes that it would end all firearm deaths forever and ever and if somebody is killed by a gun in a country with strict gun laws that means their entire worldview is shattered or something.

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5 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

Looks like this 14 year old in Cali was not a mass shooter.  He brought in a rifle shot the kid he was arguing with and fled dropping the gun.

 

This Australia tragedy appears to be a Grandfather taking out his family including 4 kids then himself.

 

If only some guy in Australia was able to carry his gun to the movie theater...that dad would have thought twice!

 

 

 

 

clearly what that home and every other home around him needed was more guns

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1 minute ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

clearly what that home and every other home around him needed was more guns

It sounds like that may be the case

 

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Nearby residents said they heard gunfire around 4am but dismissed the sound as coming from kangaroo shooters.   

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Just now, Fryfan said:

It sounds like that may be the case

 

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Nearby residents said they heard gunfire around 4am but dismissed the sound as coming from kangaroo shooters.   

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Kangaroo shooters could never turn to a life of crime I'm sure of it.  

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Good guys with guns..all stopped by Australia sense able laws huh jam?

 

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