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#61 unicar15

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 12:56 AM

My point is this.. If WR is our biggest need, we can not afford to gamble on the pick as the success rate is poor. We need to address it in the 2nd round, and I think I have made my point very clear. Obviously, there are good WRs to be had in the later rounds, but the success rate is less than 5% in rounds 4-7.. and it is just wishful thinking to say we are going to find a starter later in the draft at the WR position.

I have Starting caliber WRs in Bold. 5/35 WRs fall into the "starter" category, which is a 14% success rate. I don't feel you can look past 3 years to get a good feel on if a WR is starter caliber or not.. that's why I did not include 08-09 drafts.

2000 Draft
3 66 Ron Dugans WR Florida State Cincinnati Bengals
3 69 Dez White WR Georgia Tech Chicago Bears
3 70 Chris Cole WR Texas A&M Denver Broncos
3 73 Ron Dixon WR Lambuth New York Giants
3 78 Laveranues Coles WR Florida State New York Jets
3 79 JaJuan Dawson WR Tulane Cleveland Browns
3 80 Darrell Jackson WR Florida Seattle Seahawks

2001 Draft
3 74 Steve Smith WR Utah Carolina Panthers
3 77 Snoop Minnis WR Florida State Kansas City Chiefs

2002 Draft
3 86 Marquise Walker WR Michigan Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah Washington Redskins
3 95 Eric Crouch WR Nebraska St. Louis Rams

2003 Draft
3 65 Kelley Washington WR Tennessee Cincinnati Bengals
3 71 Nate Burleson WR Nevada-Reno Minnesota Vikings
3 74 Kevin Curtis WR Utah State St. Louis Rams
3 95 Billy McMullen WR Virginia Philadelphia Eagles

2004 Draft
3 77 Derrick Hamilton WR Clemson San Francisco 49ers
3 78 Bernard Berrian WR Fresno State Chicago Bears
3 82 Devard Darling WR Washington State Baltimore Ravens

2005 Draft
3 68 Courtney Roby WR Indiana Tennessee Titans
3 83 Chris Henry WR West Virginia Cincinnati Bengals
3 96 Brandon Jones WR Oklahoma Tennessee Titans

2006 Draft
3 78 Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma Cleveland Browns
3 82 Derek Hagan WR Arizona State Miami Dolphins
3 84 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin San Francisco 49ers
3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 95 Willie Reid WR Florida State Pittsburgh Steelers

2007 Draft
3 73 Jacoby Jones WR Lane Houston Texans
3 74 Yamon Figurs WR Kansas State Baltimore Ravens
3 75 Laurent Robinson WR Illinois State Atlanta Falcons
3 76 Jason Hill WR Washington State San Francisco 49ers
3 78 James Jones WR San Jose State Green Bay Packers
3 79 Mike Walker WR Central Florida Jacksonville Jaguars
3 80 Paul Williams WR Fresno State Tennessee Titans
3 99 Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso Oakland Raiders


I love it when people back their opinions up with stats. WR with our first pick IMO is a must if there is good value there. If not...then Matt Moore is going to get BURIED next year unless we retain Moose.

If we could swing signing one of the FAs out there then I'd be all for that since maybe we have a QB who would look at someone other than his #1 option.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 03:35 AM

No one knows where any of these guys will be drafted or how many of any position will be drafted in what round. When has the draft EVER went as expected? We should sign a WR and D-lineman in FA and just draft the best player available.

Actually, they ought to draft a TE with the first pick, just to piss every Mel Kiper off.


If we draft a TE in the 2nd with Barnidge and Rosario still on the roster I will burn the city of Charlotte to the ground.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 09:40 AM

If we draft a TE in the 2nd with Barnidge and Rosario still on the roster I will burn the city of Charlotte to the ground.


I will help. That would be ridonkulous.

I say it will be Brian Price DT or a WR.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 11:02 AM

Who will be looking for a WR before we draft?

Bears, Jets, Ravens...who else has WR as a top need? No way we get Tate IMO, maybe hope to get Shipley in 3rd and try to sign a proven veteren WR instead?

Edited by jpniner, 19 January 2010 - 11:06 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2010 - 11:59 AM

I will help. That would be ridonkulous.

I say it will be Brian Price DT or a WR.


price is likely off the board round 1, or early round 2 at the very latest. he is getting billed right now as the #3 DT in the draft, and rightfully so. after price it gets intresting as there aere atleast 6 other dts worth a look early on in the draft.

in no particular order:
cody
williams
houston
alualu
odrick
jones

i can see them all going in the 2-4th range depending on workouts and other teams needs. there are 2 3-4 style NT in this group (who could move up like brace did last year), and a bunch of 4-3 UTs.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 12:46 PM

I highly doubt we draft a DT early on, or even at all...

With Kemo coming back, we currently have Lewis, two guys we traded picks for (Tyler and Leonard), and 2 others we have invested past draft picks in (Hayden and Brayton)...

It could happen that DT is one of the positions we will be willing to trade a future pick to move into the first and get, but it would be the later first/early second much like Everette Brown last year...

I doubt it happens though, and we'll likely stick to what we've got...

#67 unicar15

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 12:59 PM

Who will be looking for a WR before we draft?

Bears, Jets, Ravens...who else has WR as a top need? No way we get Tate IMO, maybe hope to get Shipley in 3rd and try to sign a proven veteren WR instead?


The Bears have HUGE offensive line problems. They might want to try and protect Jay Cutler before they go after a WR. The only WR they take over an OT IMO is Dez Bryant which wouldn't matter for us since we have no chance at him.

The Jets paid big money for Braylon Edwards but don't really need a lot at other positions so I could see them going after a WR or maybe a guy like Jermaine Gresham so that Sanchez can have a big target over the middle.

The Ravens undoubtedly will go after a WR since that is essentially the only thing holding their offense back from being one of the best in the league.

It is all going to come down to the combine and what teams want. Tate is not a big receiver (not even as big as Desean Jackson IDT) so it will depend on if teams think he can be a #1. I think Tate can be a great #2 receiver and maybe evolve into a #1 but teams don't typically take #2 receivers in the first round unless that is their only real need.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 01:55 PM

Who will be looking for a WR before we draft?

Bears, Jets, Ravens...who else has WR as a top need? No way we get Tate IMO, maybe hope to get Shipley in 3rd and try to sign a proven veteren WR instead?


Browns, Bengals, Ravens are the big 3 off the top of my head that could take WR in the 1st round.. I haven't quite looked at the 2nd round yet, but I believe there is 1 team ahead of us in the 2nd that will take a WR as well.. maybe 2. Leaving us with the 5th-6th WR on the board.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 03:15 PM

The Bears have HUGE offensive line problems. They might want to try and protect Jay Cutler before they go after a WR. The only WR they take over an OT IMO is Dez Bryant which wouldn't matter for us since we have no chance at him.

The Jets paid big money for Braylon Edwards but don't really need a lot at other positions so I could see them going after a WR or maybe a guy like Jermaine Gresham so that Sanchez can have a big target over the middle.

The Ravens undoubtedly will go after a WR since that is essentially the only thing holding their offense back from being one of the best in the league.

It is all going to come down to the combine and what teams want. Tate is not a big receiver (not even as big as Desean Jackson IDT) so it will depend on if teams think he can be a #1. I think Tate can be a great #2 receiver and maybe evolve into a #1 but teams don't typically take #2 receivers in the first round unless that is their only real need.


um dustin keller > gresham. jets dont need another TE that early.

as for tate, look at harvin, is percy really a #1 WR not really, but he is always a threat on the field like tate. tate may not be a #1 WR (i think he can be, percy could on another team possibly), but what he can do in the slot, out of the backfield, in the return game, as well as a WR is why he absolutely is worth a 1st. just like harvin last year. neither guy really is about the long speed (aka 40 time), but more about the acceleration and cuts they can make. idk if tate is as good as percy, but i would love to have him here.

then again i like mccluster for the same reasons i like harvin and tate, and he will come at a much lower price than either. now i doubt he is as stout as either, but he is dynamic with the ball in his hands.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 03:52 PM

If we draft a TE in the 2nd with Barnidge and Rosario still on the roster I will burn the city of Charlotte to the ground.


Yeah, b/c those guys are so irreplaceable. Gresham is better.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 07:54 PM

I highly doubt we draft a DT early on, or even at all...

With Kemo coming back, we currently have Lewis, two guys we traded picks for (Tyler and Leonard), and 2 others we have invested past draft picks in (Hayden and Brayton)...

It could happen that DT is one of the positions we will be willing to trade a future pick to move into the first and get, but it would be the later first/early second much like Everette Brown last year...

I doubt it happens though, and we'll likely stick to what we've got...


Do you really have much faith that a guy that big can come back to full strength in one year?

I don't think he's going to be the same and he was never a monster to begin with.

I don't like saying it but I'd wouldn't mind seeing him cut and some fresh legs brought in.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 08:07 PM

Do you really have much faith that a guy that big can come back to full strength in one year?

I don't think he's going to be the same and he was never a monster to begin with.

I don't like saying it but I'd wouldn't mind seeing him cut and some fresh legs brought in.


Even if we cut ties with him (I traded him in our Mock draft stuff, lol), we're still 5 deep at least, and I feel comfortable with Lewis, Tyler, and Leonard sharing the starting rotation, and you never know... maybe we'll bring Hollis back...

On another note, please don't let this thread digress into the annual "The Panthers should draft a TE" thread...

ugh..

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 08:48 PM

I think we might trade up higher in the 2nd round. like our 2nd rd pick and something else and get Brian Price. If not, Id just wait and get Vince Oghobassee

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 10:50 PM

I think we might trade up higher in the 2nd round. like our 2nd rd pick and something else and get Brian Price. If not, Id just wait and get Vince Oghobassee


he'd be a good replacement for kemo as we would be missing a player with a name the announcers could butcher.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 07:39 AM

price is likely off the board round 1, or early round 2 at the very latest. he is getting billed right now as the #3 DT in the draft, and rightfully so. after price it gets intresting as there aere atleast 6 other dts worth a look early on in the draft.

in no particular order:
cody
williams
houston
alualu
odrick
jones

i can see them all going in the 2-4th range depending on workouts and other teams needs. there are 2 3-4 style NT in this group (who could move up like brace did last year), and a bunch of 4-3 UTs.


Not so sure about that. Its almost comparing apples to oranges but for the sake of argument, last years #3 DT (Ron Brace) didn't go off the board till the 8th pick in the 2nd. This years class is deeper at every other positon and the depth of the DT class is the deepest I can recall so he could easily fall to us.

But in case your right I would say we would then go after a WR.


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