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Poll: Will the economy fail in your lifetime? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Will the economy fail in your lifetime?

  1. yes (14 votes [48.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.28%

  2. no (7 votes [24.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.14%

  3. pie (8 votes [27.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.59%

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#31 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 02:31 PM

i didn't say there aren't people in poverty there or that it has a good government or economy.

he asked if communism had ever lifted anyone out of poverty, and it has.


Well communism certainly lifted Mao himself out of poverty, along with a few of his cronies. But as far the Chinese people were concerned, they were almost all poor when he took over, and almost all poor when he died. I doubt the numbers changed very much.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 02:33 PM

When mao took over, the chinese people were poor farmers and serfs.

When mao died, the chinese people were poor starving farmers and serfs.

Yep.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 02:44 PM

http://www.bloomberg...id=aGeKYLrqZVTM

Hu and his fellow leaders are celebrating China’s newfound prominence on the global stage. China now produces in a day the equivalent of a year’s output five decades ago, and is poised to surpass Japan as the world’s second-largest economy by 2010. The Communists, who lifted 300 million citizens from abject poverty and raised the country’s international influence, must now meet increasing demands for domestic freedom and accountability.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 03:06 PM

No slant there at all.

So why did Communism start working all of a sudden?

Magic?

Or a dash of capitalism?

Hate to break it to you, but you can't credit communism with that.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 03:15 PM

Without communism, the Soviet Union would have gotten crushed during WWII. It provided a mechanism for not only inducing recruitment, but the wholesale move of entire cities to the Urals to continue producing war materiel. It provided a propaganda counter to fascism, saved the Soviets millions on niceties like humane treatment of the millions of prisoners of war it had to absorb, and made it able to control the entire population towards winning the war when it could not just pay its workers to do so.

As far as China goes, there is no other way to control that population, it's just a cultural thing. What the takeaway should be is that in a modern society, different levels of socialist and capitalist elements must be combined for success - it does not matter what end you evolved from, everything is headed to a combination as populations increase and wealth with it.

#36 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 03:32 PM

Without communism, the Soviet Union would have gotten crushed during WWII. It provided a mechanism for not only inducing recruitment, but the wholesale move of entire cities to the Urals to continue producing war materiel. It provided a propaganda counter to fascism, saved the Soviets millions on niceties like humane treatment of the millions of prisoners of war it had to absorb, and made it able to control the entire population towards winning the war when it could not just pay its workers to do so.

As far as China goes, there is no other way to control that population, it's just a cultural thing. What the takeaway should be is that in a modern society, different levels of socialist and capitalist elements must be combined for success - it does not matter what end you evolved from, everything is headed to a combination as populations increase and wealth with it.


I think you are confusing communism with ruthless dictatorship. Russia survived because Stalin and his people had an iron grip on the society, much as Hitler and the Nazis had an iron grip on German society. The political system's name was irrelevant, as long as that control was maintained.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 03:38 PM

So now Communism won WWII. Keep reaching guys.

I'd have to say that the process that's led to modern China put more people in the dirt than raised from poverty.

But hey, when you kill 20 million people, there's bound to be moar cheeseburgers for everyone else.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 03:55 PM

Without communism, the Soviet Union would have gotten crushed during WWII. It provided a mechanism for not only inducing recruitment, but the wholesale move of entire cities to the Urals to continue producing war materiel. It provided a propaganda counter to fascism, saved the Soviets millions on niceties like humane treatment of the millions of prisoners of war it had to absorb, and made it able to control the entire population towards winning the war when it could not just pay its workers to do so.

As far as China goes, there is no other way to control that population, it's just a cultural thing. What the takeaway should be is that in a modern society, different levels of socialist and capitalist elements must be combined for success - it does not matter what end you evolved from, everything is headed to a combination as populations increase and wealth with it.


Go back and look at how many were in control of USSR. Then tell me how was it communist?

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 04:06 PM

Without communism, the Soviet Union would have gotten crushed during WWII. It provided a mechanism for not only inducing recruitment, but the wholesale move of entire cities to the Urals to continue producing war materiel. It provided a propaganda counter to fascism, saved the Soviets millions on niceties like humane treatment of the millions of prisoners of war it had to absorb, and made it able to control the entire population towards winning the war when it could not just pay its workers to do so.

As far as China goes, there is no other way to control that population, it's just a cultural thing. What the takeaway should be is that in a modern society, different levels of socialist and capitalist elements must be combined for success - it does not matter what end you evolved from, everything is headed to a combination as populations increase and wealth with it.


I'll be you a one-way ticket to Russia or China if you will shutup. :out: