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#1 Zod

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 09:37 AM

So what do you think, is he awake or asleep at the end?

It bothers me that you never saw the top stop spinning in the bathroom in the basement of the indian guy's place of business. I think he may have been asleep from that point on.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 10:29 AM

Really loved it but I think he was awake.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 11:09 AM

I think what a lot of people are missing as I talk to them is that whther the top is spinning is inconsequential. Once they made the plant, and it succeeded, was when the movie did it for me.

All Leo wanted was to a) assuage with the guilt of his wife's death and B) be able to see his kids again. Dream or not, he accomplished both in his mind. He never took his eye's off that top, and at the very end he didn't even bother to see if it dropped.

Whatever the case, Nolen has created serious discussions about this wonderful movie that will get him so many repeated viewings.

I think he is still dreaming though.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 11:23 AM

And was Juno pregnant?

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 11:27 AM

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 11:38 AM

I really couldn't pay attention to the movie last night because the husband that was sitting behind me had to explain what was what to his dimwit wife every 20 seconds.
"This is the third level honey"
"Are you sure?"
"Yes, i'm sure"
"Why did they have to have 3 different dreams?"
"It's the same dream, just with 3 levels to it"
"Is this the first dream?"
"No, this is the 3rd level of the dream"
"Well, why aren't they on the plane still?"
"That was the start of the inception"
"I don't know why they have to go into his dreams"
"to Plant the idea that he wants to tear apart his father's empire."
"Then why is the Father helping them?"
"He's not"
"The asian guy isnt his father?"
:confused5::mad2:


That was a real convo they had at one point..Anyways......

I would like to believe he was awake, but I really think he was dreaming. The top never started to really topple.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 12:15 PM

I'm thinking he was awake at the end since the top looked like it was starting to loose inertia and topple over.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 12:35 PM

I think what a lot of people are missing as I talk to them is that whther the top is spinning is inconsequential. Once they made the plant, and it succeeded, was when the movie did it for me.

All Leo wanted was to a) assuage with the guilt of his wife's death and B) be able to see his kids again. Dream or not, he accomplished both in his mind. He never took his eye's off that top, and at the very end he didn't even bother to see if it dropped.

Whatever the case, Nolen has created serious discussions about this wonderful movie that will get him so many repeated viewings.

I think he is still dreaming though.


But think about it it sounds like you're saying "as long as he THINKS those are his kids that's all that matters" (I could be misreading)

But if that were the case he would have stayed in the limbo with his "projection wife" along with his "projection children". Instead he wanted to have his REAL kids and move on from his actual wife.

Movie was good (though I had to read quite a few summaries afterwards to understand what I had watched lol )

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 12:37 PM

question: aren't the token thingys supposed to be used to tell if you're in someone else's dream?

i mean if you know how it works in reality common sense would say that if you were in your own dream then it would work the same way it would in the real world

so if he was in his own dream the whole time, wouldnt the top be irrelevant?

and if he was in a lucid state, he could just make the top stop spinning so he can convince himself his life is all dandy again

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 12:53 PM

I was under the impression that the token was used to see if you were in reality or in fact any dream, not just someone else's.

There are so many open ends to this, there will be a great number of theories. Questions that I've come across that I can't seem to figure out are, are his children wearing the same clothes at the end of the movie that they are wearing when we see them in his memories?

Also, if Saito and Cobb didn't receive the kick to get out of the submerged van, how did they get out at all? (Assuming the end was reality and not a dream)

I have a lot of questions about this movie, I'll come back to this later

#11 Matt Foley

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 01:07 PM

Were his kids the same age?

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 01:48 PM

Total mind blower. Nolan is the friggin King.

Once Saito "convinced" Leo to take on this job, I got the feeling he did the Inception right there. But on a conscience level because Leo and Arthur were on such a deep SUB level that even their sub conscience was on guard, but, how clever if not ironic you go from the reality side to plant the Inception?

Flat out awesome film. It WILL be up for Best Pic, Original Screenplay, Sound, Editing, Cinematography.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 02:03 PM

The biggest flaw as I can tell in this movie is the lack of hot naked women. I mean, all those guys bring their projections into the mix and not one set of naked tits? C'mon.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 02:06 PM

The whole "kid's are in the same place as when he left them" thing is what makes me believe he is still dreaming. It also is very possible that he was in Saito's dream the whole time like pstall said (I think that's what you were saying?).

He definitely wanted to be in reality, with his kids. But he also knew he had to make peace with the projection of his wife...with him finally doing that, he can be with his kids in dream or in reality and not worry about what his actual state is.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 02:22 PM

I think Saito was awake in the helicopter. Then from there is was back and forth between dream and reality.
The was Leo dreaming part now seems to be highlighted by the way his crew interacted with him in the airport.
Only Michael Caine seemed to fully acknowledge him there. Also Leo warned against memories and never wanted to know the full layout of a dream for his own protection, but only the girl knew that.


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