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#31 Jpjr

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 04:46 PM

I have been to the last 3 practices. In this regard: 1. Cantwell is clearly getting the majority of the #2 snaps. 2. Cantwell is closer to Moore, than Clausen is to Cantwell.


You are the first person to report this. Not to spoil the world's worst kept secret, but the Panthers did not waste their first pick of the 2010 draft on a backup to Hunter Cantwell. This is a business. They made an investment and it will be Clausen's job to lose and not Cantwell's. Cantwell is competing against Pike for a spot on the roster versus the practice squad by the end of camp.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

You are the first person to report this. Not to spoil the world's worst kept secret, but the Panthers did not waste their first pick of the 2010 draft on a backup to Hunter Cantwell. This is a business. They made an investment and it will be Clausen's job to lose and not Cantwell's. Cantwell is competing against Pike for a spot on the roster versus the practice squad by the end of camp.


I agree completely. They have seen enough of Cantwell in my opinion or they would not have drafted 2 QB's this year.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 06:16 PM

I'm not Marty Hurney, but maybe they drafted 2-qbs, because the 2-qbs they had on their roster, Moore and Cantwell, are free agents at the end of the 2010 season. Without drafting a qb, the Panthers could have, theoretically, been without a qb to start the 2011 season.

If the #2 has been given to Clausen, then why waste those valuable reps on Cantwell. Again, today, Cantwell is the #2.

The investment side of things, regarding qbs, is interesting in the NFL. A few recent cases that proves that the NFL cares more about production, than investment. If this investment line of thinking was viable, then: Matt Flynn wouldn't have been #2 and Brian Brohm #3; Tyler Thigpen wouldn't have been in front of Pat White; Bruce Gradkowski wouldn't have started over JaMarcus Russell, etc.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The thing that sticks out to me is: 1) Clausen's college coaches' team, KC, passed on him 3-times in the draft, along with every other NFL team 2) Scherer is trying to change Clausen's throwing motion 3) Clausen is checking down on a lot of intermediate and deep throws which at least for the 3-days of camp I've seen, is going to be a staple of the Panthers offense, this yearand 4) as well as Cantwell is playing and the potential that Clausen, seemingly has, I think it is a safe bet that Moore, Clausen or Cantwell will be traded before the start of the 2011 season.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 06:23 PM

Ok. Yeah Cantwell is awesome. They are just afraid of losing him to free agency. Are you serious?

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 06:36 PM

KC passed on Clausen because they overpaid for a QB last year and have so many holes in thier roster that they could not afford the luxury of drafting a QB just for the hell of it.

Also, I am 100% positive that Wiess had 0% input into how the draft went down.

Anyone who really thought or thinks that Cantwell is going to be the #2 guy is an idiot. Clausen isn't ready to start yet but they are going to make sure that he gets the most reps because if Moore shits the bed then Clausen is going to be the man.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 06:43 PM

Yeah our first pick of this years draft is gonna play third string QB behind the guy that was our fifth string QB last season. Gimme a break.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:04 PM

Yeah our first pick of this years draft is gonna play third string QB behind the guy that was our fifth string QB last season. Gimme a break.


1. Why is Cantwell getting more reps?

2. Have you been to Spartanburg and watched the two of them work?

Your break is the same thing Packers' fans about Brohm...I'm just saying. Hypotheticals are interesting, but reality is better.

I'm not projecting. I'm just reporting on what is actually happening, in Spartanburg.

Finally, for one, these are the four best qbs we have ever had in camp, talent-wise.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:14 PM

Yeah our first pick of this years draft is gonna play third string QB behind the guy that was our fifth string QB last season. Gimme a break.


exactly

#39 Jpjr

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:17 PM

1. Why is Cantwell getting more reps?

2. Have you been to Spartanburg and watched the two of them work?

Your break is the same thing Packers' fans about Brohm...I'm just saying. Hypotheticals are interesting, but reality is better.

I'm not projecting. I'm just reporting on what is actually happening, in Spartanburg.

Finally, for one, these are the four best qbs we have ever had in camp, talent-wise.


Your last post was thought provoking, I think you have an interesting perspective.

As far as Weis I agree with others that 1) he had zero input in their draft and was surely begging them to draft JC, and 2) they severly overpaid for Tom Brady's backup. On the last point - it hightlights that this is a business and you stand behind your investments until you can't. JaMarcus is a perfect example of a sunk cost - he was never going to be good and they had guaranteed him the money. With Clausen, he is anything but sunk. In fact, he's only been in TC a few days! They are definitely going to give him the benefit of the doubt on second string, that's where you and I differ. I think it's Clausen's job to lose and you think it's Cantwell's. I think Cantwell is #2 by seniority right now and nothing more. Expect Clausen to take over the second team fully before the first pre-season game unless he really sh*ts the bed.

As far as Clausen's throwing motion, I think that if anything they are working on a quicker release. After all, this is to quote SI "the kid with the golden arm", who not to mention was on the cover of ESPN Magazine the week of the draft with the title "Jimmy Clausen throws the perfect spiral". Just sayin'...

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:30 PM

1. Why is Cantwell getting more reps?

2. Have you been to Spartanburg and watched the two of them work?

Your break is the same thing Packers' fans about Brohm...I'm just saying. Hypotheticals are interesting, but reality is better.

I'm not projecting. I'm just reporting on what is actually happening, in Spartanburg.

Finally, for one, these are the four best qbs we have ever had in camp, talent-wise.


I saw them at camp also Saturday. There was Moore, Clausen, and then then the other 2 guys. Moore's realease was quicker than every other QB and he seemed to move quicker. Cantwell and Pikes throwing motion was horrible.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:33 PM

Clausen will be above Cantwell when it counts, unless Fox goes into Jake mode and proclaims Cantwell as a quarterback who gives them the better chance to win over Clausen because Cantwell threw a game-losing pick six in the last second of the Panthers/Giants preseason game, ruining a potential nice little comeback and some more droning by Tony Kornheiser.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:50 PM

I saw them at camp also Saturday. There was Moore, Clausen, and then then the other 2 guys. Moore's realease was quicker than every other QB and he seemed to move quicker. Cantwell and Pikes throwing motion was horrible.


Clausen gets too much credit for being mobile and too little credit for his release. He has very little mobility, although I read writers say he is mobile. Then I read Bradshaw saying he has a bad release, and I look at the tape and don't find any problems with it. In fact he was accused by some last year of "slinging" the football to the point where it was coming out almost side-armed when he saw a receiver open.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 08:03 PM

Clausen gets too much credit for being mobile and too little credit for his release. He has very little mobility, although I read writers say he is mobile. Then I read Bradshaw saying he has a bad release, and I look at the tape and don't find any problems with it. In fact he was accused by some last year of "slinging" the football to the point where it was coming out almost side-armed when he saw a receiver open.


He had to be mobile because he spent his college life running away from defenses since he had no offensive line. He is pretty mobile and was doing fine running until his toe injury. I see nothing wrong with him mechanics though. ESPN ran an article on him about throwing the perfect spiral. He has very sound mechanics.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 08:48 PM

He had to be mobile because he spent his college life running away from defenses since he had no offensive line. He is pretty mobile and was doing fine running until his toe injury. I see nothing wrong with him mechanics though. ESPN ran an article on him about throwing the perfect spiral. He has very sound mechanics.


Exactly. He looked very awkward last season because he was playing on two torn tendons in his toe (tough mamma jamma!).

I looks plenty athletic to me. Sure he's no Michael Vick, but who is?

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 08:49 PM

He had to be mobile because he spent his college life running away from defenses since he had no offensive line. He is pretty mobile and was doing fine running until his toe injury. I see nothing wrong with him mechanics though. ESPN ran an article on him about throwing the perfect spiral. He has very sound mechanics.


I agree I was just pointing out that he would adjust his release (i.e., half release aka slanging) when he needed to live.


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