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#46 Pantherman

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 09:54 AM

18 games a season will not happen. If it does happen. Expect the players to go on strike next offseason for sure. Because alot of players are not wanting to play 18 games then the playoffs aswell. If this vote passes. Expect the NFLPA and the players to have alot to say about it come next week.:rolleyes5:

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:00 AM

18 games a season will not happen. If it does happen. Expect the players to go on strike next offseason for sure. Because alot of players are not wanting to play 18 games then the playoffs aswell. If this vote passes. Expect the NFLPA and the players to have alot to say about it come next week.:rolleyes5:


They won't go on strike. The owners will lock them out and the players will likely decertify the union.
Of course they won't want 18 games, but the owners want a 20% reduction in salary cap which the players won't want either. This is a bargaining chip that will be very important in the CBA. The players may go for it if they can keep the salary cap where it is. Otherwise there may be no football next year.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:04 AM

I'm all for keeping a 16 game schedule. It's a long enough season to mathematically work well for parity reasons, but isn't too long to wear out the players.

However, I don't understand the whining about a 18-game regular season IF they shorten preseason. Starters play over a full game in preseason as it is. It would only be adding about 3 quarters of game time to their schedule. That's not a terrible burden to put on them.

Now... if they keep a 4 game preseason and extend the regular season to 18 games, then ya, I'd have a problem with that.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:13 AM

I'm all for keeping a 16 game schedule. It's a long enough season to mathematically work well for parity reasons, but isn't too long to wear out the players.

However, I don't understand the whining about a 18-game regular season IF they shorten preseason. Starters play over a full game in preseason as it is. It would only be adding about 3 quarters of game time to their schedule. That's not a terrible burden to put on them.

Now... if they keep a 4 game preseason and extend the regular season to 18 games, then ya, I'd have a problem with that.

Bro after 2 preseason games look at the panthers on ST Offense and Defense and tell me if they are ready for the season.:toetap05: I think not. The panthers Passing game is in trouble for now and the STs is crap aswell. The only bright spot for the team right now is the surprising D we have right now. Besides the D playing well. The other 2 parts of panthers team really needs the last two games of the preseason to really work on getting things right. That's the reason for 4 preseasons game so teams can kick off the rust from a long offseason and get the team into playing shape. Now you see why 4 preseasons are very much needed.:rolleye:

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:16 AM

Increasing the roster is useless.. Your stars are going to play regardless of how many scrubs you add to the roster..

18 games is full of greed and will be the downfall of football faster than any upside...


you missed the point on this one. more games=more injuries=more players needed

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:19 AM

quoting myself from the other thread to save typing

i've thought about it, and i guess i lean towards being in favor, but under conditions.
1. keep the total number of games the same so psl holders still pay for the same number of games. preseason + regular season = 10 home games
2. pay the vets more and the rookies less. only logical given more games are meaningful
3. increase the roster size to ~60 so that more depth can be retained for when a player goes down

biggest reason i started thinking this way is because of the run the panthers were on at the end of last season. two more games might have gotten us a wildcard.



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Posted 25 August 2010 - 11:03 AM

Bro after 2 preseason games look at the panthers on ST Offense and Defense and tell me if they are ready for the season.:toetap05: I think not. The panthers Passing game is in trouble for now and the STs is crap aswell. The only bright spot for the team right now is the surprising D we have right now. Besides the D playing well. The other 2 parts of panthers team really needs the last two games of the preseason to really work on getting things right. That's the reason for 4 preseasons game so teams can kick off the rust from a long offseason and get the team into playing shape. Now you see why 4 preseasons are very much needed.:rolleye:


There's a few key points about the Preseason you might not be aware of:

#1. Most teams typically don't game plan during Preseason for the upcoming opponent except for a little bit in week 3. This is a very important part of practice that affects the game dramatically.

#2. Most game time for the Preseason is spent watching backups in a game time scenario. Roughly 2 and a half games are NOT first team players (or more depending on the coach). If they shorten the Pre-season play to not quite a single game for the starters, it's not really adding that much to their workload for the year.

#3. The concept of "Knocking off rust" applies to every team equally. It wouldn't JUST be the Panthers who would have to ramp up to regular season play. Every team would.

As to your specific points about the Panthers.... while we're all a little concerned about the Panthers lack-luster offense and poor Special Teams performance in the past two games, I think people are reading more into this than it is. Astute fans who know how the NFL works realize that despite these poor performances, we ARE short a couple key starters, they ARE pre-season exhibition games that mean nothing, and the "fix" for these problems will mostly come on the practice field and in conditioning work-outs... pre-season play will only factor in a small amount.

Edited by blackcatgrowl, 25 August 2010 - 11:07 AM.


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Posted 25 August 2010 - 03:08 PM

Maybe they should figure out the whole Labor deal thingy before worrying about 18 game seasons.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 03:20 PM

I don't like this idea. I really enjoy paying full price to watch Armanti Edwards show us that he doesn't belong in the NFL.

Keep the meaningless preseason games. Those injuries don't count anyway.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 03:45 PM

We need 8 Preseason games and 20 regular.
Either that or drop two games off the preseason, and make a summer league or something for developing talent. 8 games dedicated to practice squad and 3-6th stringers. Those guys will never develop with out actual game time play.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 03:56 PM

Almost everybody has a good point... ~cough cough jersey cough~...If they are going to change anything, take 1 preseason game and make a 17 game season. That way coaches can still do their evaluating, and there will be no more 8-8 seasons. Either you had a winning season or you didnt. Maybe boost the roster some, everybody makes a little more revenue, fans get a little more out of their season, and there is 60 more minutes of real gametime for the players to get injure- um, make it throu- uh, play..

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 06:51 PM

I'm sorry but I think it's a little ridiculous to cite "stress on the body" of professional athletes as the only reason why we shouldn't have an 18 game season and expect it to be taken seriously. We're talking about millions of fans, millions of dollars and large organizations. I understand having a concern for the players, but this is their job and they will be paid. If you don't want to risk dying in a fire, don't be a firefighter.

And "1 or 2 meaningless quarters is hardly accurate" Starters usually play about 6-7 quarters in preseason in total. In the second game they play a half, in the third they play up to three quarters. While you're right in that regular season games are more demanding, things like pulling starters after getting a sizable lead will become more common. Also, you'll see teams pull their starters after they've fallen behind by a large deficit. This happens in sports at all levels and it's completely reasonable, I'm not sure why we can't expect that here.

"Better practice routines" refers to resting players more in between games. For a typical NFL team, they will play on Sunday, have Monday and Tuesday off (or just watch film, have meetings), then practice hard on Wednesday and Thursday, do lighter stuff on Friday, and essentially just walk through the game plan on Saturday. Coming from an NCAA athlete, when guys are in midseason form they really don't even need intense practices. It becomes a lot more mental and lot less physical as the season progresses. Therefore there's no reason that coaches wouldn't lighten up on the intensity of practices down the stretch.

Increased roster size may not help the "stars" that much, but there's no question that it will help the team. I'm sorry if you're only worried about 100-ish "stars" that there are in the league. Think about all the guys we have playing special teams that also contribute in a large portion of offense/defensive play. With a greater roster size, less of our starters/key back-ups on offense and defense would have to take part in special teams and those 6-7 extra bodies on the roster could handle kick-off returns and coverage, punt coverage, etc. Also, there isn't any reason why certain positions can't use more depth on game day. It would have been fantastic for us to have another fullback or two around last year...our top two guys got hurt and we were up the creek.


Stress on the body or injuries means the quality of football goes down.. and the stars are the ones on the field we want to see.. not the other 30 scrubs playing football...

to think it's a good idea to have them playing on offense and defense other than special teams plays means the quality of football goes down...

ridiculous? I think not...

now today I've heard a lot more reports and revamping a lot of old ideas to help with the 18 games.. it could get interesting and we'll see in what ways they try to prevent more injuries...



you missed the point on this one. more games=more injuries=more players needed


actually, that is precisely my point.. more games = more injuries = we don't have our starters playing and scrubs filling in... less quality football..

as a panthers fan who watches year in and year out a team that takes a big hit in injuries, this is my biggest fear in seeing an additional 2 games...

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 08:24 PM

bleys, truly the starters already play 18 games.

add up all the time spend on the field during 4 preseason games and it will be close to two full games.

imo, its just a numbers deal ie $$$$$$money$$$$$$ issue.

there has already been a trend towards more scrimmages, that would be a solution help to replace 2 preseason games.

john fox brought up a interesting point about roster numbers. he said if the number grew pass a certain level, there would be MUCH more "specialist" added to rosters. all teams would carry kick-off specialist, short FG specialist, short yard RBs, more goal line linemen, go route WRs, long down passing DEs etc etc.

what that knowledge, i think the roster should only increase 2-3, same for practice squads.

Edited by theedaddy, 25 August 2010 - 08:31 PM.


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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:06 PM

The only reason I'm interested in 18 games is if they drop 2 of the pre-season ones, because I can't give the pre-season ones away, and these thieves who run the league charge the same for them as they do the regular season. The NFL owners are some greedy bastards! It's asinine that you can't sell them online at the 'Cats site for anything other than a couple dollars less than the full price. If I lived in Charlotte I would attend the preseason games, but it's a 700 mile round trip for me to make any home game. A thing that would help is if you could donate them to the team's charities after Tuesday. But that's neither here nor there.

I think 18 games will put a heck of a pounding on these guys, and the record books will be further bastardized! I think for team preparation they could schedule more scrimmages to make up for losing 2 pre season games. But we'll see, I reckon..

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 07:21 AM

So what was the verdict?


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