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#16 rayzor

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:20 AM

i easily see moore and davis being on the way out (unless davis recovers and signs for cheap which he may have to do).

a new coach comes in and i fully expect there to be some turnover. that could be why hurney hasn't signed his contract...waiting to see what happens there and if h new coach is someone he can work with or that will want to work with him.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:23 AM

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:24 AM

About all this "will Hurney get along with the new head coach" business, Hurney is the guy who hires the head, why would he hire someone he doesn't get along with?

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:28 AM

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:51 AM

About all this "will Hurney get along with the new head coach" business, Hurney is the guy who hires the head, why would he hire someone he doesn't get along with?

jerry might have someone else in mind, esp. if hurney hasn't signed his contract. you don't trust the most important hiring job in an organization to a guy who hasn't committed himself to you. until hurney signs his deal, he has no vested interest in this organization and shouldn't be trusted with the hiring of a new coach.

it would be a poor management decision to let hurney make that call without himself being under contract, regardless of how much faith richardson has in him or the size of the contract he placed in front of him.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:55 AM

jerry might have someone else in mind, esp. if hurney hasn't signed his contract. you don't trust the most important hiring job in an organization to a guy who hasn't committed himself to you. until hurney signs his deal, he has no vested interest in this organization and shouldn't be trusted with the hiring of a new coach.

it would be a poor management decision to let hurney make that call without himself being under contract, regardless of how much faith richardson has in him or the size of the contract he placed in front of him.


If it gets to that point, he should just let Hurney walk. It would be kind of stupid to say "hey I did your most important job for you. I hope you guys get along. Welcome back, here's a raise."

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:59 AM

I will say that I agree with the Panthers philosophy in general... wouldn't want to see them become the Skins.


Well said.....all the money that organization has shelled out over the years and nothing to show for it.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:06 AM

If it gets to that point, he should just let Hurney walk. It would be kind of stupid to say "hey I did your most important job for you. I hope you guys get along. Welcome back, here's a raise."

he might very wel be doing that. panthers have a weird way of letting people walk from what i can tell. throw an offer on the table that is below what the market will pay to let them know that they aren't as valuable here as they might be elsewhere. if there are no new offers put on the table for marty then you have to conclude that richardson has gone as high as he is going to and that he is content if hurney walks but won't hate it if he stays. we don't know the size of that contract that hurney was offered. whatever it was, it wasn't an offer that hurney couldn't refuse.

i suspect that hurney is primarily staying to see what happens with fox and to support his friend during this season. even if richardson wants hurney to stay more than he wants fox to stay, it doesn't man that hurney will stay. the two of them might want to remain a package deal. if they can get one somewhere then they will probably take it. if they can't then hurney will probably sign the deal.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:19 AM

he might very wel be doing that. panthers have a weird way of letting people walk from what i can tell. throw an offer on the table that is below what the market will pay to let them know that they aren't as valuable here as they might be elsewhere. if there are no new offers put on the table for marty then you have to conclude that richardson has gone as high as he is going to and that he is content if hurney walks but won't hate it if he stays. we don't know the size of that contract that hurney was offered. whatever it was, it wasn't an offer that hurney couldn't refuse.

i suspect that hurney is primarily staying to see what happens with fox and to support his friend during this season. even if richardson wants hurney to stay more than he wants fox to stay, it doesn't man that hurney will stay. the two of them might want to remain a package deal. if they can get one somewhere then they will probably take it. if they can't then hurney will probably sign the deal.


We are, like, super deep into the hypothetical now. I'm just saying it's unlikely that Hurney stays on with a coach that he doesn't like so that seems to be a weird thing to worry about.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:22 AM

I suspect that we'll end up with a team pay-roll that might even be higher than normal when the gurantees to folks like Jake are added in. Hard to agree to calling that "gone cheap".


I don't have the link in front of me but if I am not mistaken even with all the guaranteed money we spend dumping foks this offseason, we were still below most teams this year and well below last year's cap. Letting Pepper's walk ensured that even counting what we used on Delhomme. For next year we have committed something like 60 million so far which puts us in the bottom three along with Tampa and St Louis.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:25 AM

I don't have the link in front of me but if I am not mistaken even with all the guaranteed money we spend dumping foks this offseason, we were still below most teams this year and well below last year's cap. Letting Pepper's walk ensured that even counting what we used on Delhomme. For next year we have committed something like 60 million so far which puts us in the bottom three along with Tampa and St Louis.


T think I saw the article that you are referring to , but as I recall, it was talking about money committed to contracts for 2011. There is no way we're only shelling out 60 mill includiing the guarantees this year.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:33 AM

T think I saw the article that you are referring to , but as I recall, it was talking about money committed to contracts for 2011. There is no way we're only shelling out 60 mill includiing the guarantees this year.


Again off the top of my head I think the number for this year was something like 110 million. The other point is that the 60 million for 2011 only counts who we have under contract. Once they actually do decide to sign their free agents if they do, that 60 million will go up. In fact I have said that if they actually sign most of their core group like Wiliams, Davis, Kalil, etc, their salary could go up by 80-100 million more. All of the signing bonuses while being able to be prorated as part of the new cap over time are included as part of the team's salary in the year they are paid. That is one of the reasons I question whether Richardson will sign some of these guys.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:36 AM

Here it is

http://espn.go.com/b...nto-perspective

First off, let’s remember there is no salary cap for 2010. If there was, the Panthers would be sitting at $124 million right now. Here’s the part that’s highly significant -- $29.2 million of that is in what would be called “dead money’’ in a capped year.



Thje projected Panthers payroll for 2010 is less than .5 mill below '09. That essentually means that we distributed 20 mill in Peppers deal mostly to Delhomme.

Edited by Savoir Faire, 17 September 2010 - 08:53 AM.


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:45 AM

don't have a problem with the panthers philsophy(just the execution of it) when was the last time the steelers signed a big name free agent from another team? they compete at the highest level on a regular basis even tho they've changed several coaches and front office people over the years. they draft players who fit their system & sign middle market free agents to fill needs.they went from contenders to champions once the found a true franchise qb(something that will hold the panthers back until they find one)

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 09:17 AM

We are, like, super deep into the hypothetical now. I'm just saying it's unlikely that Hurney stays on with a coach that he doesn't like so that seems to be a weird thing to worry about.

not worried and i agree that hurney won't stay with a cach he can't/won't work with (or one not named john fox). unless hurney signs the deal (and maybe even if he does) i think JR will do the hiring and hurney can stay or go and the panthers will go from there. i think hurney overall has done a pretty decent job but there are choices out there who i am sure could do as good or better given the right HC and situation. i'm not worried about that.


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