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#11 mmmbeans

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 06:34 PM

Can you imagine the stress on the guy already? He knows that if he screws up, that blows it for any and all minorities' chances in the future (at least in this lifetime).
I didn't vote for the man, but I'm willing to give him a chance and see where he takes us.
As the saying goes, "Only time will tell."


you think that people who elected a minority for the first time in history would be dumb enough to think that "if he sucks than all minorities suck at presidenting, and I'll never vote for one again, no matter what?"

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 06:41 PM

The left had nothing but contempt for Bush from day 1. I've been hoping that conservatives rise above that nonsense since the election. I'm rooting for the guy, and my criticism of his performance, be it positive or negative, will be based on his decisions and the policies he enacts. It will not be based on the fact that I'm feeling sulky 'cause they didn't count the ballots for a fifth time.


People on the left thought he was stupid. Because as far as having the intelligence to run a country, he is. Thats a lot different from "having it in for him". If that was the case, the outcry against him would have been strong when he wanted to go into Afganistan. Of course, you may be referring to the far left whackos, in which case I can tell you about 3 people I know who have referred to Tuesday as "Assassination Day".

#13 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 06:59 PM

Can you imagine the stress on the guy already? He knows that if he screws up, that blows it for any and all minorities' chances in the future (at least in this lifetime).
I didn't vote for the man, but I'm willing to give him a chance and see where he takes us.
As the saying goes, "Only time will tell."


I don't agree. Regardless of how good or bad Obama does, the demographics of the nation are changing and the chances for minorities will continue to improve.

#14 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 07:21 PM

People on the left thought he was stupid. Because as far as having the intelligence to run a country, he is. Thats a lot different from "having it in for him". If that was the case, the outcry against him would have been strong when he wanted to go into Afganistan. Of course, you may be referring to the far left whackos, in which case I can tell you about 3 people I know who have referred to Tuesday as "Assassination Day".


I don't like Bush, but I think its a mistake to say that he is stupid. He is definitely not on those on the left were seriously mistaken to think so. Thats probably why they lost the election in 04. I do think that his style of decision making and leadership is wrong for being president, but that doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of intelligence.

In truth, I think that GWB's problem was laziness. He didn't want to put in the time to study the issues, he wanted his subordinates to do that. That style of leadership works when you have competent subordinates, but Bush relied to much on Rumsfeld and Cheney. Notice how things in the DOD and Iraq improved when Rummy was removed and Gates came in. Gates is a competent advisor and administrator, so things improved. In the beginning, prior to 9-11, I think there was a certain amount of balance in the Whitehouse between Cheney and Rummy on one side and more competent, moderate advisors such as Powell and Rice on the other. But 9-11 tilted the balance towards the hardliners, and this led to a lot of mistakes on the part of the administration.

Edited by Davidson Deac II, 18 January 2009 - 07:25 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2009 - 08:10 PM

I don't like Bush, but I think its a mistake to say that he is stupid. He is definitely not on those on the left were seriously mistaken to think so. Thats probably why they lost the election in 04. I do think that his style of decision making and leadership is wrong for being president, but that doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of intelligence.

In truth, I think that GWB's problem was laziness. He didn't want to put in the time to study the issues, he wanted his subordinates to do that. That style of leadership works when you have competent subordinates, but Bush relied to much on Rumsfeld and Cheney. Notice how things in the DOD and Iraq improved when Rummy was removed and Gates came in. Gates is a competent advisor and administrator, so things improved. In the beginning, prior to 9-11, I think there was a certain amount of balance in the Whitehouse between Cheney and Rummy on one side and more competent, moderate advisors such as Powell and Rice on the other. But 9-11 tilted the balance towards the hardliners, and this led to a lot of mistakes on the part of the administration.



Excellent analysis. On top of all that, Obama sucks big donkey balls.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 08:21 PM

Excellent analysis. On top of all that, Obama sucks big donkey balls.


i agree with analysis. however I respectfully disagree on the issue of obama sucking big donkey balls.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 08:39 PM

i agree with analysis. however I respectfully disagree on the issue of obama sucking big donkey balls.


You admitted it in the other thread. Which just goes to show you....

Obama sucks big donkey balls.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 09:04 PM

You admitted it in the other thread. Which just goes to show you....

Obama sucks big donkey balls.


yea, but really, how big is big? And what's average donkey ball circumference?
are we sure they're actually donkey balls?

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 09:38 PM

Good point. I mean...maybe I should just say Obama sucks donkey balls, and leave the rest up to the size queens.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 10:24 PM

Good point. I mean...maybe I should just say Obama sucks donkey balls, and leave the rest up to the size queens.


size queens? you seem to be well versed in donkey balls. I want character witnesses from you if I'm to buy these donkey ball sucking allegations. Do you have references?