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Hurney shouldn't be fired for two main reasons


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#37 Fiz

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:28 PM

Who's been better over the same time period?


No one will do that because it will involve A. effort and B. writing something that can be factually refuted

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:29 PM

And the last time I checked, Brees was coming off surgery and had been released by the Chargers. Why on earth would he even consider coming to Carolina, when there was no guarantee to start? Brees chose New Orleans over Miami, Carolina wasn't even in the running. And yes, he could have taken Flacco (who was largely considered a reach) over Stewart, and said goodbye to our 12-4 season that year. Hell, it's not like Flacco has even proven to be a Franchise guy yet, but hindsight ROCKS!


If Mr. Hurney could trade up and get E Brown, for what reason, no one can fathom, for a franchise QB, or a chance at one, he could have moved up a few positions for Ben, and the Panthers could have done the same with Flacco, let's see a possible franchise QB or J. Stewart. I know what most football people with a QB with a dead arm would have done. Running backs are a dime a dozen.

With Brees, there was no reason not to take a chance, or do research to see if a chance is warranted, but, that's ok, our main rival in the South has him now. They took a RB with a history of foot injuries in Stewart.

I'm afraid Cyberjag, we can agree to disagree.

Someone pointed out that Polian failed in the 3rd round...but, he hasn't failed with making the Colts a perennial contendor, no matter how many injuries they have. That, is a successful GM.

Can Hurney say the same? How many winning seasons in 10? He and Fox were joined at the hip for all of those years except this last one, why does Hurney get a pass?

Edited by raleigh-panther, 09 November 2010 - 09:32 PM.


#39 Fiz

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:35 PM

The Panthers team doctors believed that Brees was damaged goods. Remember, he'd just blown out his shoulder in the season finale and needed rotator cuff surgery.

The Dolphins even consulted the Panthers doctors on that one.

It's also, coincidentally, the reason the Panthers have to play Brees twice a year instead of once every four.

Finally, if you would have taken Brees with what he'd done at that point in his career over what Jake Delhomme had just done in 2005 you're dumb as hell.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:35 PM

If Mr. Hurney could trade up and get E Brown, for what reason, no one can fathom, for a franchise QB, or a chance at one, he could have moved up a few rounds for Ben, and the Panthers could have done the same with Flacco, let's see a possible franchise QB or J. Stewart. I know what most football people with a QB with a dead arm would have done.

With Brees, there was no reason not to take a chance or do research, but, that's ok, our main rival in the South has him now.

I'm afraid Cyberjag, we can agree to disagree.

Someone pointed out that Polian failed in the 3rd round...but, he hasn't failed with making the Colts a perennial contendor, no matter how many injuries they have. That, is a successful GM.

Can Hurney say the same? How many winning season in 10? He and Fox were joined at the hip for all of those years except this last one, why does Hurney get a pass?


Right, we trade up from 28th to 11th in the draft following a year where our new quarterback leads us to the super bowl so we can draft a quarterback. Makes sense to you, not to me.

And in the year where our quarterback makes the pro bowl, we go out and convince an injured third year quarterback who's had one good year in his career to sign with us, with the full intent to start him instead of our guy. Who just made the pro bowl. Makes sense to you, not to me.

And yes, reach further than the Ravens did for Flacco, when your QB is coming back off IR and you just saw a rookie go 2-1 for you. Jake went 12-4 that year, BTW. But if they had done that, I'm sure that everyone would have been behind the trade and no one would have called it wasted at all. Makes sense to you, not to me.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy to disagree with you on all this. :)

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:36 PM

Well, I'll say this.

I feel like Hurney should stay to keep the "Build through the draft/youth movement" motto going.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:37 PM

Hurney is a good gm. Yea he may have reached for Brown, but with the Peppers situation looking incredibly unsteady, who wouldn't? Plus Brown should be a perfect fit for Meeks defense.

The Armanti pick is still up in the air. Honestly had we given up anything less than a second I don't think people would be that mad.

Bright side: The lions and rams were too damn stingy to give up an early second round pick in this years draft when we wanted to move up for Clausen. Thank god because without our first rounder this year I would be legitimately depressed.

One thing that does concern me with Hurney, is up to date he has never drafted a major quarterback outside Clausen....there may come a day....say in April when we have to make this decision. God help us he is better at evaluating qbs than wide-outs

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:40 PM

how about you get the f**k out "Mr." Scot

:D

Really easy to look back on drafts and see who was missed and skipped over.
Just keep in mind that everyone else passed on Tom Brady too.

The same guys that got Tom Brady in the sixth also traded up to take Laurence Maroney over DeAngelo Williams in the first.

Second round the same year they took Chad Jackson over Greg Jennings.

Edited by Mr Scot, 09 November 2010 - 09:47 PM.


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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:45 PM

No one will do that because it will involve A. effort and B. writing something that can be factually refuted

I guess that would make it too easy, huh? More fun to be sarcastic anyway... :)

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:47 PM

2. Most importantly, it sends a terrible message to any potential replacement. Here's a guy that just did what the owner instructed him to do, and on top of that has been paraded out in front of the media every week to be pilloried. The guy has no more swords to fall on, yet has become the defacto face of the franchise in lieu of the owner.

To fire him after all he's done (sacrificing his public and professional reputation for Jerry's vendetta) would basically tell every other potential GM that the owner will flush you down the drain the second it's convenient.


i guess this depends on how long of an extension he got. he might not even have to be fired, much like fox

We're already going to have enough trouble finding a coach after the way Richardson has handcuffed Fox. Let's not make it a GM as well.


lets not forget this is the same owner whom rewarded fox handsomely after success, and Fox is fortunate to have an owner as tolerant as Richardson is because on any respectable team he would've been fired before this point. Richardson is courteous enough to not put that kind of black mark on his resume.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:48 PM

Are the Titans a respectable team?

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:51 PM

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Edited by Raging Bull, 09 November 2010 - 10:42 PM.


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Posted 09 November 2010 - 10:16 PM

also to have traded peppers this year they would have had to risk franchising him again, and then you have to gamble that someone will be willing to pay it.

In retrospect Chicago was pretty ready to give him the world but they couldn't have known that, and I doubt it was hurney that wanted to take that risk as much as it was Richardson.



The idea that we could have traded Peppers if we Franchised Tagged him again of course most likely would have worked as it did last year. Peppers wouldn't sign until July long after the draft and simply collected a 20% raise from his previous 17 million dollar figure. Completelty freezing the Panthers as he did after 2009 and laughing all the way to the bank.
We never would have gotten to Chicago to bargain because without a signature on the FT contract we're not allowed to even talk to another team about trading Peppers, only his agent had that privelage. We all know how that worked out.
Having missed the window in Peppers last contract year to trade him for value after he turned down a contract extension by the Panthers to be the highest paid Defensive player in the league (as the Patriots traded Seymour) we were fuged.