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#61 thefuzz

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 04:15 PM

this is indeed how JR was thinking he said, though I don't know that Fox would have been offered a contract even if he had let his guys go more easily. take it or leave it, think what you want about him and the situation... this is what he has said to people and it's what I believe happened, but people are free to disagree.



that is true. however, none of our players have been signed, and signing only one of them would send the wrong message to our other players (namely that the FO was full of poo when it said nobody would get signed until after the CBA was finalized :P).

I do not think we're going to lose Beason.



I too hope that we are able to retain him, but I do have my doubts.


However I don't agree with the sending the wrong message thing. We re signed Gross and Gamble, now it's time to resign Beason.

It doesn't matter what you have said, you sign your best players. Look at the Chargers. They said no new contracts until the CBA is done and then extended their 3 most important players on O. Rivers was first, then Gates, then McNeill. I think it sends the right message. Play hard, practice hard, be a good leader, and we will reward you.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 06:24 PM

I am not making excuses for JR, but I did not to dispel the myth that making money is a bad thing. Winning teams make a lot more than losing teams.

I have never been a season ticket holder so I can't speak to the ticket price hike. I get back to a lot of games but I have always gotten tixs from friends or scalped. That sucks for PSL owners because they are the reason we have the Panthers. I remember when they were selling PSLs. I was in college but it was impressive that they all sold out in a day.


Like I said, he's a businessman. I also think he loves football and wants a ring but at the end of the day he's got a 800 million dollar franchise here and the last thing he wants is another season like this to deface the value any more. I just hope this CBA goes through, a lockout will ruin the sport.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 07:17 PM

Like I said, he's a businessman. I also think he loves football and wants a ring but at the end of the day he's got a 800 million dollar franchise here and the last thing he wants is another season like this to deface the value any more. I just hope this CBA goes through, a lockout will ruin the sport.


Well said and I agree 100%. I just wish others realized that regardless of what they think about JR's motives, he is all about winning. Even if you think all he cares about is money, which I think is far from the truth, a winning team makes more money than a losing team. Ad sales are huge for revenue and it is tough to sell a lot of ads to an empty stadium and for televised games no one is watching.

At the end of the day having an owner like JR helps me get through seasons like this. If we had George Shinn running the Panthers I would have jumped off a cliff a long time ago.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 08:17 PM

I too hope that we are able to retain him, but I do have my doubts.


However I don't agree with the sending the wrong message thing. We re signed Gross and Gamble, now it's time to resign Beason.

It doesn't matter what you have said, you sign your best players. Look at the Chargers. They said no new contracts until the CBA is done and then extended their 3 most important players on O. Rivers was first, then Gates, then McNeill. I think it sends the right message. Play hard, practice hard, be a good leader, and we will reward you.


Uhh, I don't think we re-signed Gross and Gamble this offseason.

The issue is you could make an argument for A LOT of the players we need to extend making a big impact and being very important. You strengthen future negotiating positions and avoid stepping on toes by taking this line imo. I don't think any of the Panthers are upset about it at all right now all that much (cept Marshall), but I bet they would be if Beason got a deal right now and nobody else did.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 09:02 PM

In my opinion SF would jump at the chance to trade up and select Andrew Luck since David Carr is the only QB under contract.

My guess is they would also try to sign Harbaugh as HC,since both him and Luck are already established in the area.

I would venture to said they would be the ones trying to make us a package deal we couldn't refuse.

As of right now, they hold the number eight pick.

With a quarterback like Luck in play, trading up to number one from that spot would take an offer verging on the ridiculous.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 11:11 AM

Uhh, I don't think we re-signed Gross and Gamble this offseason.

The issue is you could make an argument for A LOT of the players we need to extend making a big impact and being very important. You strengthen future negotiating positions and avoid stepping on toes by taking this line imo. I don't think any of the Panthers are upset about it at all right now all that much (cept Marshall), but I bet they would be if Beason got a deal right now and nobody else did.


I understand your position, although I don't agree with it.


Jerry knew that the lockout was on it's way, and chose to extend both Gamble, and Gross, but not Beason, D Will etc....We thought that Gamble and Gross were needed for long term success, and we took care of them, it's time to do the same for Beason.


If I am in the position, I don't even hesitate to let the team know that I am locking up our best player.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 11:25 AM

I understand your position, although I don't agree with it.


Jerry knew that the lockout was on it's way, and chose to extend both Gamble, and Gross, but not Beason, D Will etc....We thought that Gamble and Gross were needed for long term success, and we took care of them, it's time to do the same for Beason.


If I am in the position, I don't even hesitate to let the team know that I am locking up our best player.


With potentially a 100 million needed in signing bonuses just to keep those guys who have to be resigned this year, there won't be money to sign Beason when there isn't an absolute need to do anything until next year. Youi have to decide on Kalil, Williams, Marshall, Davis and a host of others on 1 year contracts or tenders before deciding to sign up guys who won't be free agents until 2012 or later.

There is only so much money to spend and signing bonuses have to be paid as soon as the contract is completed.

That is why Gross and Gamble were signed, they were going to be free agents if they weren't signed when they were.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 07:35 PM

I understand your position, although I don't agree with it.


Jerry knew that the lockout was on it's way, and chose to extend both Gamble, and Gross, but not Beason, D Will etc....We thought that Gamble and Gross were needed for long term success, and we took care of them, it's time to do the same for Beason.


If I am in the position, I don't even hesitate to let the team know that I am locking up our best player.


It's no reflection on Beason, DWill or anyone else that the Panthers haven't extended them... we don't want to write any new contracts until we know what the new CBA looks like, it wouldn't make any sense to do otherwise.