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#37 dimbee

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 02:10 PM

Obama wanted Republican support for it so his party won't have to take all the blame for it not working, or for the pork in it


You're such a bleeding pessimist :incazzato:

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 02:13 PM

You're such a bleeding pessimist :incazzato:


It's true, though. We got rid of Bush. We didn't get rid of the Congress that had an even lower approval rating than he had.

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 02:22 PM

I believe Obama when he says that he wants to work with Republicans. I don't see it as an underhanded way of spreading "blame" around... what if it's a success?

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 02:25 PM

I think we all know that if the economy succeeds, it won't be because of this bill. Or the Bush stimulus. Or the big bank/auto bailouts.

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 02:25 PM

I believe Obama when he says that he wants to work with Republicans. I don't see it as an underhanded way of spreading "blame" around... what if it's a success?


His idea of working with Republicans, so far, has been to give up only a piddly amount of pork, but by and large saying, "I won. I get to do it my way." There was virtually no compromise in that bill at all. The only reason Pelosi's crap for birth control was taken out was because the public found out and it was highly criticized.

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 02:36 PM

You make compromises to get bills passed. In this case there were not a lot of compromises that needed to be made. Sorry that the way laws are passed does not please you now, hopefully it suited you better when the Republicans had more say in matters and could ignore points that Dems brought up.

Obama has stated that time was of the essence - I don't know if I agree that this stimulus stuff is a good idea or not, but clearly he feels that the top level of government had to do something - a sentiment that the previous administration and most of the Dems AND Reps agreed with - and is willing to let some things get by in the sake of expediency.

Politics is the art of the possible, and everything is a compromise.

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 02:45 PM

You make compromises to get bills passed. In this case there were not a lot of compromises that needed to be made. Sorry that the way laws are passed does not please you now, hopefully it suited you better when the Republicans had more say in matters and could ignore points that Dems brought up.

Obama has stated that time was of the essence - I don't know if I agree that this stimulus stuff is a good idea or not, but clearly he feels that the top level of government had to do something - a sentiment that the previous administration and most of the Dems AND Reps agreed with - and is willing to let some things get by in the sake of expediency.

Politics is the art of the possible, and everything is a compromise.


Bottom line, CWG, Obama pushed this through to help himself with other Democrats in Washington, and not with the American people. And that's not what he said he was about during the campaign, now, was it?

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 03:21 PM

Well most of the American people voted for Obama, and he has clearly stated that this was one of the first things he was going to do. He did try to get Republicans to support it - but now that Dubya is not in control, the RNC says to everyone not to vote for this stuff anymore.

Also you are wrong http://online.wsj.co...9580982953.html

sorry.

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 03:21 PM

funnest part

Even Republicans and independents think GOP lawmakers should work to move the legislation forward. Asked whether Republicans in Congress should do everything to stand firm for their party's principles and oppose the legislation, or look to compromise with the Obama administration, 68% of Republicans and independents chose compromise, with 20% picking standing firm.



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Posted 29 January 2009 - 04:19 PM

funnest part


the republicans in government have all lost their backbone.

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 04:26 PM

um, that was Republican and independent voters. Do you even bother to read? Or are we going to assume you are trying to give us another "big picture" with this as well?