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Is America the 'best country in the World'?

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How is that even measurable?

FTR, I really hate it when people say that sh!t. It goes right along with the people who say "Our CIA are protecting our best interests when they carry out clandestine operations in other countries." It's this arrogance that perpetuates the thought that we can do whatever we want in other countries but hell to pay if anything like that were to happen here.

The best at what? Nobody is the best at everything. If it's at the expense of other people or nations...that's a good thing?!?!?!

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Yes, I think it is the best

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lets poll the millions of people trying to get into this great country.

And yes by God we are the best!

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US=Ric Flair. The straw that still stirs the drink, good or bad.

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Anyone who says the US is the best country, on what criteria are you basing that judgement?

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Having visited many of them, I can tell you its my personal favorite.

The US does have several advantages over most of the rest of the world. The level of personal freedom is better than most of the countries in the world. There are some that are equal but they are relatively few.

If you are willing to work hard, you can usually achieve a very high standard of living in comparison to the rest of the world.

And in large part due to its size and diversity, the US has a great range of cultures, cusine, and landscape. Very few countries have the cultural and enviromental diversity of the US.

Of course, the majority of people prefer the the enviroment or country they grew up in. My filipina wife likes the US, but misses her home country tremendously. I met a man in Bahrain who had lived in the US for a while, but came home because even though he made more money in the US, he preferred life in his home. The things he seemed to dislike the most were the hustle and bustle of life in the US. Of course, I tried to convince him that was more of a New York thing and that in some areas, things were as laid back as they were in his home. But he had only seen New York, so I am not sure if he believed me.

So to the OP's question, there really is no incorrect answer. To me, the US is the best nation on earth. To others, it is not.

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If you are willing to work hard, you can usually achieve a very high standard of living in comparison to the rest of the world.

I reject this notion.

Working hard doesn't equate success in America. Success is almost universally a product of two things:

1. Networking - Buddy'ing up with people in power often leads to monetary gains. I can't begin to tell you how many people I know that work in high-paying jobs that got there by the virtue of who they knew and/or who they schmoozed.

2. Lack of Ethics - Successful people often find ways of exploiting the rules of a particular system, be it legal, financial, regulatory, organizational, or hell, even personal at times (see evangelism). Show me a rich person, and I'll show you an unsuspecting criminal in some way or another.

Some of the hardest working people I've ever met were some of the poorest. Janitors, garbage workers, cafeteria staff. These people put in some serious toil for little reward.

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Rich = criminal

that's why we need to take their money from them.

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I reject this notion.

Working hard doesn't equate success in America. Success is almost universally a product of two things:

1. Networking - Buddy'ing up with people in power often leads to monetary gains. I can't begin to tell you how many people I know that work in high-paying jobs that got there by the virtue of who they knew and/or who they schmoozed.

2. Lack of Ethics - Successful people often find ways of exploiting the rules of a particular system, be it legal, financial, regulatory, organizational, or hell, even personal at times (see evangelism). Show me a rich person, and I'll show you an unsuspecting criminal in some way or another.

Some of the hardest working people I've ever met were some of the poorest. Janitors, garbage workers, cafeteria staff. These people put in some serious toil for little reward.

Interesting you equate success with great wealth. I do not. I said successful. Successful means basically a middle class life. A house, a car electricity etc... Things that a large portion of the world outside of the developed countries do not have. Compared to how much of the rest of the world lives, you can have success in America if you are willing to work hard.

Fwiw, I know a woman who has been a cafeteria worker for 30 years now. Her and her husband worked hard, spent wisely and now they are retired with a house thats paid for and three kids that attended some form of college. Garbage men also can make decent money if they stick with it.

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because we don't have the social safety net Europe has, we get the best and brightest and most driven immigrants. thats why they come here.

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Interesting you equate success with great wealth. I do not. I said successful. Successful means basically a middle class life. A house, a car electricity etc... Things that a large portion of the world outside of the developed countries do not have. Compared to how much of the rest of the world lives, you can have success in America if you are willing to work hard.

I doubt I'm alone in saying that financial independence is a qualifier for "success" in terms of the American way of life.

The other aspects you're talking about, housing, electricity, etc. are pretty much functions of the quality of life we try and maintain in this country, and not really measurements of success.

Here's an example... my mom.

My parents split up and the divorce cost them pretty much everything. They then decided to try and work it out, but shortly afterwards, my Dad died of a heart attack while self-employed. He left her with an almost 6 digit medical bill, so she had to sell the house, and lived with friends for awhile. Eventually my oldest brother started renting a house out to her, and she worked for awhile. The hospital eventually took her to court, and they put a judgement on her for the amount of the remainder of the bill. She's been living in poverty off social security since.

She's not been "successful". But she has housing and basic amenities.

Fwiw, I know a woman who has been a cafeteria worker for 30 years now. Her and her husband worked hard, spent wisely and now they are retired with a house thats paid for and three kids that attended some form of college. Garbage men also can make decent money if they stick with it.

I'd be willing to bet this is more of the exception than the rule for low income families. Hell, our housing market should indicate that.

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US=Ric Flair. The straw that still stirs the drink, good or bad.

You've been hanging out on the Gamecocks sidelines haven't you? :D

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