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Exhibit A of why you don't draft Newton in the 1st round


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#31 Delhommey

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:07 AM

By "centering the offense" do you mean becoming dependent on their scrambling ability and/or conforming to their poor passing skills?


Scrambling QB's don't necessarily have poor passing skills. Cunningham had a freakin' cannon of an arm, Colt McCoy is pretty deadly accurate, and McNair had the complete package throw wise (as did Young).

The problem is:

1. Play calling: If you have a QB that can scramble, you have to build the playbook around that. Running plays tend to be options and passing plays are either horizontal (to take advantage of the safeties and LB's run blitzing) or full on vertical (to take advantage of the safeties playing up).

If you want to see what happens when you put a pocket passer in a running QB scheme, take a look at the Texas Longhorns record this year.

2. Protection: Blocking for a pocket passer on a passing play is straight pass blocking. Blocking for a scrambler can become run blocking at any given moment. You need to have more athletic, quick reacting, zone block type O Linemen for a scrambler.

Again, look at UT this year to see what a pocket passer looks behind these type of O linemen.

3. Routes: A WR can go from running a route to having to block at the drop of a hat. Takes a different sort.

4. The clock in the QB's head: Where pocket passers have a natural "tick (first read), tick(second read), half-tick (third read and step up)/half-tick (throw it away/reset if pressure's not too great)" progression, scrambling qb's have a natural "tick (first read), tick (second read), half tick (third read/RUN!)" progression.

Change the QB and you change the whole timing of the offense.

Edited by Delhommey, 30 December 2010 - 01:09 AM.


#32 SmootsDaddy89

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:07 AM

Plus, he's black.

#33 cookinbrak

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:11 AM

Vince Young scares me. Cam Newton reminds me a lot of Vince Young.

That said, if Luck stays in school, we have to take Noootahn.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:11 AM

Plus, he's black.


neg rep.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:13 AM

Vince Young scares me. Cam Newton reminds me a lot of Vince Young.

That said, if Luck stays in school, we have to take Noootahn.


from just a qb stand point i don't think vince young is the failure most people think he is. just go look at his win loss totals...

#36 SmootsDaddy89

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:14 AM

How will I ever recover those three rep points you stole from me due to your inability to detect sarcasm?

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:24 AM

How will I ever recover those three rep points you stole from me due to your inability to detect sarcasm?


maybe you can get them off amazon???

#38 unicar15

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:39 AM

Vince Young scares me. Cam Newton reminds me a lot of Vince Young.

That said, if Luck stays in school, we have to take Noootahn.


A. I think Newton is bigger, stronger, maybe faster than Young.

B. He has a much quicker release.

C. He has a lot more velocity on his throws than Young.

If Luck stays in school we take AJ Green. There is no way I would take Newton #1. You don't take Newton unless you are sold on him being the future of your franchise for the next decade or so and 13 college games playing in a gimmicky offense (from the gun the entire time) isn't enough to sell me on Cam Newton 1st overall. I love his skill set. He has a rocket arm and great mobility but I'm not sure that understanding of the game is there. He has always just been the biggest, strongest, fastest guy on the field and that isn't going to be the case in the NFL.

Edited by unicar15, 30 December 2010 - 01:42 AM.


#39 cookinbrak

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 07:09 AM

If Luck stays, is there any way to trade down a few spaces and get Newton/Green/ Mallett? I don't think so, because there's no concise #1 other than Luck.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 08:32 AM

exhibit B of why you should draft cam newton.......JOE FREAKING WEBB...he is not half as talented as cam newton and his legs and feet killed the eagles

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 09:03 AM

Don't worry about our #1 getting injured. Clausen will be around to take over just like he did this year.
Seriously, I am a Luck fan that would also be happy with Newton. I am sure Luck will have to run at times to be successful. I am also sure Newton will have to run less in the NFL than he has in college if he is to stay healthy. Point is Newton has the passing skills and with the right mentor and coach he could be very good.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 09:11 AM

sometimes scrambling gets you out of trouble... sometimes it gets you in trouble.
i think injuries to this position have more to do with how many hits you're taking and the kind of hits those are.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 09:35 AM

Exhibit A = VY, JRUSS both big armed, big framed, running qbs with limitless potential that ran spread offense in college

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 10:14 AM

Actually Vick was injured while he was in the pocket and got sacked not while he was on the run.

As for building an offense that needs similar quarterbacks, Green Bay went from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers or in other words a pocket passer to a guy who is mobile without changing offenses or personnel. You can put in plays for QBs with different skills without changing everything.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 10:18 AM

QB's get major injuries in the pocket too.


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