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#1 marcopolo

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:39 PM

Can anyone find out how many minutes each individual has played? I am convinced that Johnson's stats are inflated due to the incredible amount of time our defense is on the field.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:42 PM

Wouldn't a defensive player who is playing without a lead (opposition running the clock out) and on the field longer (tired) have a harder time getting sacks ?

Johnson isn't peppers, but he might be Mike Rucker reborn.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:44 PM

The Bears are top 5 or so in the league in turnovers, so I wouldn't doubt Peppers has been on the field a lot as well. I was going to look up the stats, but instead I think it's fair to note that despite the length of time on the field, the Panthers don't have any other pass rushers with as many sacks as Johnson. There's no DT to collapse the pocket, and there's no one on the other side that draws linemen away from him.

Now don't get me wrong, a good portion of his sacks end up being in garbage time (IE the second half, after we've already seemingly lost). But he's shown that he is the only consistently we have in the front four. Everyone else is a project, or just doesn't get to the QB.

We should probably abandon comparisons with Peppers. As much as I love the guy, he just isn't on our team anymore. I don't think anyone here is saying he's better than Peppers. The sacks CJ's gotten are great, but we all know the kind of disruptive freak Peppers has been. But if he was on our team this year, he would've given up a while back. We made the much better move spending way less money for CJ to get 10+ sacks than to spend x8 more on Peppers to get just as many sacks for a losing club.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:44 PM

Also the fact the a defense playing against offense that usually have a lead will see more runs and not have as much opportunities to play the pass. They very rarely can just pin their ears back and pass rush.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:44 PM

Can anyone find out how many minutes each individual has played? I am convinced that Johnson's stats are inflated due to the incredible amount of time our defense is on the field.


Nonsense, there is only a differential of around 5% for our offense and defence.

Johnson has racked up 870 snaps and rushed the passer 449 times.
Peppers has racked up 892 snaps and rushed the passer 527 times.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:45 PM

Yeah that is quite a big difference... 20 snaps is a lot for a defensive unit. That is almost a full game.

Edited by marcopolo, 01 January 2011 - 04:48 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:46 PM

http://www.teamranki...ssion-net-of-ot

Carolina's defense, on average, spends 32 minutes per game on the field.

Chicago's defense, on average, spends 30 minutes per game on the field.

I couldn't find stats on how much time each individual player played each game, but I'm assuming it's not THAT different.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:49 PM

Yeah that is quite a big difference... 20 snaps is a lot for a defensive unit.


that's a difference of 1.3 snaps a game.

not a big difference.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:49 PM

Jesus not you again

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:51 PM

thanks kurb.any time somebody offense is on the field a lot, and a de still gets 11.5 sacks means that guy is balling his ass off.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:52 PM

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#12 Real Emotional Trash

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:54 PM

Yeah that is quite a big difference... 20 snaps is a lot for a defensive unit. That is almost a full game.



Maybe half of a game, if that, and half of that might be running plays.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 05:22 PM

mods can we please autocorrect "Peppers" with "Lil' Johnson"

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 06:05 PM

don't forget that Peppers takes many plays off while on the field during a game, I haven't seen Johnson "lil Peppers" dogging it. So the playing time numbers will be skewed anyway.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 06:08 PM

Meh - why is it even a debate.

Peppers is a physical freak with (no matter what he or anyone else says) motivation problems.

Johnson is less a physical freak but without said motivation issues.

The sum of the parts is very similar.

Also Peppers no longer plays for Carolina.

Let..it..go


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