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Question concerning Peppers/Johson debate

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Can anyone find out how many minutes each individual has played? I am convinced that Johnson's stats are inflated due to the incredible amount of time our defense is on the field.

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Wouldn't a defensive player who is playing without a lead (opposition running the clock out) and on the field longer (tired) have a harder time getting sacks ?

Johnson isn't peppers, but he might be Mike Rucker reborn.

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The Bears are top 5 or so in the league in turnovers, so I wouldn't doubt Peppers has been on the field a lot as well. I was going to look up the stats, but instead I think it's fair to note that despite the length of time on the field, the Panthers don't have any other pass rushers with as many sacks as Johnson. There's no DT to collapse the pocket, and there's no one on the other side that draws linemen away from him.

Now don't get me wrong, a good portion of his sacks end up being in garbage time (IE the second half, after we've already seemingly lost). But he's shown that he is the only consistently we have in the front four. Everyone else is a project, or just doesn't get to the QB.

We should probably abandon comparisons with Peppers. As much as I love the guy, he just isn't on our team anymore. I don't think anyone here is saying he's better than Peppers. The sacks CJ's gotten are great, but we all know the kind of disruptive freak Peppers has been. But if he was on our team this year, he would've given up a while back. We made the much better move spending way less money for CJ to get 10+ sacks than to spend x8 more on Peppers to get just as many sacks for a losing club.

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Also the fact the a defense playing against offense that usually have a lead will see more runs and not have as much opportunities to play the pass. They very rarely can just pin their ears back and pass rush.

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Can anyone find out how many minutes each individual has played? I am convinced that Johnson's stats are inflated due to the incredible amount of time our defense is on the field.

Nonsense, there is only a differential of around 5% for our offense and defence.

Johnson has racked up 870 snaps and rushed the passer 449 times.

Peppers has racked up 892 snaps and rushed the passer 527 times.

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Yeah that is quite a big difference... 20 snaps is a lot for a defensive unit. That is almost a full game.

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Yeah that is quite a big difference... 20 snaps is a lot for a defensive unit.

that's a difference of 1.3 snaps a game.

not a big difference.

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Jesus not you again

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thanks kurb.any time somebody offense is on the field a lot, and a de still gets 11.5 sacks means that guy is balling his ass off.

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Poster "I have this idea, but I will not look it up" "Here is idea XXXXXX, it is a good idea and probably fact"

Forum: "Here are some facts that disprove your idea, it was a (decent -> Horrible) idea, thanks for posting"

Poster: "I still like my idea, so I will ignore your facts and reach for excuses and say silly statments till my thread dies so I can think I won and keep my idea"

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Yeah that is quite a big difference... 20 snaps is a lot for a defensive unit. That is almost a full game.

Maybe half of a game, if that, and half of that might be running plays.

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