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#31 fitty76

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:49 PM

If you have a great offensive line but your QB sucks you aren't good to go.


You give me a crappy QB and a Great OL. I'll beat your crappy OL and Great QB 9 times out of 10.

See Mark Rypien.

#32 kk4panthers89

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:53 PM

I just dont see how you can judge a qb off of one year with a bad group of receivers and a bad o-line...he made some nice throws and some bad ones, just like a rookie normally does

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:53 PM

You give me a crappy QB and a Great OL. I'll beat your crappy OL and Great QB 9 times out of 10.

See Mark Rypien.


I disagree. The crappy QB will miss wide open receivers when the line gives him time. The great QB will know he only has 2 seconds to get rid of the ball and throw it quick.

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:54 PM

I just dont see how you can judge a qb off of one year with a bad group of receivers and a bad o-line...he made some nice throws and some bad ones, just like a rookie normally does


He constantly misses an out route. That isn't a rookie mistake.

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:54 PM

I don't give Clausen all the blame, the offense as a whole is horrible. But twice today I saw Clausen miss an out route. Any starting QB should be able to throw that.

Also, after about 10-12 weeks into the season I personally stop giving rookies an excuse. I feel they have had enough time to stop making the same mistakes. That is just me tho.


Yep

When Clausen has time and an open WR he is iffy at best. He makes really bad throws that should be easy.

Amazing that he still gets the rookie pass for such terrible play

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:55 PM

I just dont see how you can judge a qb off of one year with a bad group of receivers and a bad o-line...he made some nice throws and some bad ones, just like a rookie normally does


how many more games does he get?

Exactly?

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:58 PM

You give me a crappy QB and a Great OL. I'll beat your crappy OL and Great QB 9 times out of 10.

See Mark Rypien.


I was trying to think of an example of this going on in the league right now. The Bears have a crap O-line, but Cutler has been playing really well. The Bucs O-line is shaky at times, but Freeman has been really good. The Eagles O-line is going to get Vick killed, but he's in the MVP talk. The only really great O-line that comes to mind is NE, and well..they have a HOF QB too.

But I would love to see the Panthers use this thinking and take an O-lineman at #1 instead of Andrew Luck...yeah that would really cool.

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:59 PM

how many more games does he get?

Exactly?


People are making that excuse for Marty Hurney. "Just give him more time. 10 years isn't enough time to judge a GM."

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:59 PM

Let me be blunt

I don't trust Clausen to lead this team

#40 kk4panthers89

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:59 PM

that is a great question...I would like to see him start the first couple games next season to see if he progressed at all during the offseason...if they dont make any significant offseason signings, I dont think it matters who you put at QB (Luck or Clausen)

#41 fitty76

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 05:00 PM

I was trying to think of an example of this going on in the league right now. The Bears have a crap O-line, but Cutler has been playing really well. The Bucs O-line is shaky at times, but Freeman has been really good. The Eagles O-line is going to get Vick killed, but he's in the MVP talk. The only really great O-line that comes to mind is NE, and well..they have a HOF QB too.

But I would love to see the Panthers use this thinking and take an O-lineman at #1 instead of Andrew Luck...yeah that would really cool.


Cowboys of the 90's.

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 05:00 PM

Top priority: QB

2nd: DE, OT

3rd: DT, LBer, OG, C

Once you have that strong core established then you start adding in the skill positions and playmakers.

Let your franchise QB make your WRs look better than they are.
Let your dominating OLine make your RBs look better than they are.
Let your elite DLine make your secondary look better than it is.

How to build a championship team according to me at least.


We could use some DE depth maybe, but Johnson and Hardy are fine.

DT is a bigger need than DE, and LB isn't much of a need at all.

#43 Miaoww

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 05:01 PM

how many more games does he get?

Exactly?


Zero. He gets a pre-season as the starter and the excuses for inexperience stop there.

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 05:01 PM

Yeah lets make this a Alex Smith situation. Where we wait 4 years 2 find out what we know now and miss out on a better prospect.

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 05:02 PM

Cowboys of the 90's.


two decades ago. okay. the game hasn't changed at all since then.


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