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#141 rodeo

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:10 PM

even though the ending wasn't to my liking I didn't see it as horribly bad, IMO the greater aspect of the game as a whole was just amazing definitely in my Top 5 games of all time now


I think a lot of people (myself included) jumped on the 'the ending sucks' bandwagon before they ever actually played it. Once I beat the game myself, I didn't mind it at all. I think people just wanted an ideal "Everything is great, you saved the day, married your sweetheart, and are now Space King" ending, and were gutted when they didn't get it.

If you read about the theory that during the entire final mission, Shepard was actually indoctrinated, then it's actually an incredible ending.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:07 PM

I think a lot of people (myself included) jumped on the 'the ending sucks' bandwagon before they ever actually played it. Once I beat the game myself, I didn't mind it at all. I think people just wanted an ideal "Everything is great, you saved the day, married your sweetheart, and are now Space King" ending, and were gutted when they didn't get it.

If you read about the theory that during the entire final mission, Shepard was actually indoctrinated, then it's actually an incredible ending.

I've read up on that theory and I don't think it's the case for one of a few reasons, one of them being that indoctrination is a slow process unless you are a machine like the geth and there are also a few warning signs that go with it too, I think TIM was indoctrinated but Shepard not so much.

now with that being said if it is that shepherd is indoctrinated at the end of the game 1, the ending goes to holy fuging bat poo batman awesome, and 2 I hate it all at the same time.

i'm personally fine with a ending that Shepard does not survive as long as he saves the rest of the galaxy while doing it, but one thing that I did not like about the game is the total lack of choice that you had over how the story ended, which is something that has been a staple in all the mass effect games have been all about the choices you make, Like in ME1, you saving the council and also deciding who the new councilor for earth would be, in mass effect 2 the choices were too many to count almost, but in the 3rd you basically had one choice or out come to the game and if you did not like it tough luck

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:12 PM

The ending was terrible to me because it was a total break from what the series really had represented in the past... from plot holes to shoddy/reused art to lack of choice... While I did find it annoying there was no real "Happy ending," that alone was not my issue with it. It was a combination of factors.

at one point the developers said about the ME3 ending that you wouldn't feel like you were choosing between options 1, 2, or 3, because the ending was a culmination of playing through all the games. that just wasn't true.

As to the indoctrination, that is damage control I think... or a cheap ploy to sell more DLC afterwards.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:24 PM

The ending was terrible to me because it was a total break from what the series really had represented in the past... from plot holes to shoddy/reused art to lack of choice... While I did find it annoying there was no real "Happy ending," that alone was not my issue with it. It was a combination of factors.

at one point the developers said about the ME3 ending that you wouldn't feel like you were choosing between options 1, 2, or 3, because the ending was a culmination of playing through all the games. that just wasn't true.

As to the indoctrination, that is damage control I think... or a cheap ploy to sell more DLC afterwards.

I personally have been avoiding any website or anything to do with mass effect 3 till I ha the chance to buy the game and play it myself, I only found out that there was a co-op mode when my brother mentioned it to me 2 weeks before the game came out.

I felt the game was perfect every step along the way till it got to the point where you actually got back to the citadel at that point it was just ok at best, and yes there were a lot of plot holes like what have been explained in the indoctrination theories which in some ways honestly does make some sense but it also doesn't in others.

btw the one thing I still can't figure out is how do the mass relays blow up without whipping out half the galaxy??

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:27 PM

The explanation I saw (and mind you it was from some crazy fanboy, haven't looked for Bioware's response) was that the reason for that is that there were two very different types of explosions relating to the relays. I do not know the details well, though. To be honest it sounded to me like a terrible excuse.

I would also agree the game was very very strong up until the Citadel, and I really did enjoy it. The ending didn't "ruin" the game, but it certainly did make me wonder a bit about Bioware since it felt so uncharacteristic of the series.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:48 PM

My feeling is that Bioware didn't really know how to end it properly and still appease the fans. I think no matter how the game ended people would have been disappointed. The whole point of the series is that you are fighting a seemingly unstoppable cycle in the universe, and with that enemy gone the gum drops and cat whiskers ending would have just been too easy. I am really curious to see where Bioware goes with the alternate endings, because if they can retcon these disappointing ones I will be even more satisfied with my purchase.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 11:26 PM

I've read up on that theory and I don't think it's the case for one of a few reasons, one of them being that indoctrination is a slow process unless you are a machine like the geth and there are also a few warning signs that go with it too, I think TIM was indoctrinated but Shepard not so much.


Remember all the potential Reaper-tech that the Illusive Man used to resurect Shepard, though.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 11:49 PM

btw there seems to be some real backlash by the fans over the ending, Amazon.com is offering full refunds to unhappy customers and refunds include already opened games.

http://www.analoghyp...-mass-effect-3/

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 11:51 PM

Remember all the potential Reaper-tech that the Illusive Man used to resurect Shepard, though.

true, but from what I've just got done reading on the bioware forum, unless they are keeping it a secret just to themselves it seems that there was no indoctrination

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 01:22 PM

rodeo has to convince himself somehow that all those hours weren't wasted on some vague, generic ending