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So what you're saying that UNC is considered a sleeping giant because the nation wants more schools to be good at both football and basketball? Hmm... sounds about like what unicar15 was talking about when mentioning outsiders bias...

No, it's because UNC is considered an elite university...A University with national appeal, and fanbase. There are only a few like that.

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You made a couple of ridiculous statements. First, UNC being ignored outside of the ACC is absolutely ridiculous. I have been to other countries and have seen UNC sweatshirts and hats. In New York/Chicago/Boston there are about as many UNC shirts as there are Giants/Bears/Pats hats. So them being overlooked outside of the ACC is a preposterous statement.

Secondly...how can you argue for UNC being a sleeping giant when #1 they lose to NCSU and #2 People were calling UNC a sleeping football giant when John Bunting was there (multiple under .500 seasons). Thats my point...what makes UNC a sleeping giant anymore than NC State or Wake?? Answer: Outsiders Bias...

So because Carolina is a popular university, that somehow proves that they got an undeserved bump in the polls last year? I say BS.

As for the sleeping giant part. I say again, TOB's best season ever were 9 win seasons, and that includes his bowl wins.

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So because Carolina is a popular university, that somehow proves that they got an undeserved bump in the polls last year? I say BS.

As for the sleeping giant part. I say again, TOB's best season ever were 9 win seasons, and that includes his bowl wins.

TOBs record at BC has no bearing on the fact that people have been calling UNC a sleeping giant for years (even during the Bunting years). Its just the popular thing to say because they are a popular university. If you don't think that a University's popularity contributes to their ranking then you don't pay much attention. See Georgetown in the top 25 with like 6 losses this year in BBall...

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Ha and you do realize that Butch Davis' record at Miami was:

8-3

9-3

5-6

9-3

9-4

11-1

So with ALLLL that talent he managed one season with more than 9 wins. How can you possibly argue about wins with me when your coach has a 66% winning percentage and my coach has a 60% win percentage at a WAAYY less talent dense part of the country in the same conference? Its not like Butch has been a football god everywhere he has gone. He inherited a college football powerhouse that had won 4 national championships in the previous 12 years before he got there. Not exactly like taking over a school like BC. So don't argue wins with me anymore there isn't that big of a difference and there was a huge difference in the talent pool that the coaches had to pull from.

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You realize he had 31 scholarships pulled? He didn't inherit sh*t. Miami was on so many probations when he took over. He turned Miami back into a national power. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

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Ha and you do realize that Butch Davis' record at Miami was:

8-3

9-3

5-6

9-3

9-4

11-1

So with ALLLL that talent he managed one season with more than 9 wins. How can you possibly argue about wins with me when your coach has a 66% winning percentage and my coach has a 60% win percentage at a WAAYY less talent dense part of the country in the same conference? Its not like Butch has been a football god everywhere he has gone. He inherited a college football powerhouse that had won 4 national championships in the previous 12 years before he got there. Not exactly like taking over a school like BC. So don't argue wins with me anymore there isn't that big of a difference and there was a huge difference in the talent pool that the coaches had to pull from.

Now I will start taking up for Butch Davis now.......F1P2 is correct when he took over Miami, he had nothing but the NCAA watching the program like a hawk, and had to rebuild that program from scratch. Look at Beamer it took him 10 years to get a 10 win season, granted it was and is much harder to recruit to VT compared to Miami, but VT hasn't looked back. If Butch would have stayed at Miami he would have won the NC, and probably kept the program going in the right direction rather where it went after Coker took over.

Will he put Carolina in contention for a title run?? Only time will tell, all I know is he has them going in the right direction with making believers out of them, and having great success with recruiting. We just have to sit back and wait and see how he and his coaching staff develops these players.

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You realize he had 31 scholarships pulled? He didn't inherit sh*t. Miami was on so many probations when he took over. He turned Miami back into a national power. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

Now I will start taking up for Butch Davis now.......F1P2 is correct when he took over Miami, he had nothing but the NCAA watching the program like a hawk, and had to rebuild that program from scratch. Look at Beamer it took him 10 years to get a 10 win season, granted it was and is much harder to recruit to VT compared to Miami, but VT hasn't looked back. If Butch would have stayed at Miami he would have won the NC, and probably kept the program going in the right direction rather where it went after Coker took over.

Will he put Carolina in contention for a title run?? Only time will tell, all I know is he has them going in the right direction with making believers out of them, and having great success with recruiting. We just have to sit back and wait and see how he and his coaching staff develops these players.

He lived in the MOST fertile recruiting state in the country and played in the same conference as TOB and won like 10 more games in the same time period. All I'm saying is that to say a team is a "sleeping giant" is stupid because they have been asleep for going on 50 years and nobody has woken them up. The UNC football program is no better than the NCSU football program, or the Wake program, and the only reason anyone wants to believe it is is because it is a BANDWAGON UNIVERSITY with a high-profile coach.

And as for him winning the national championship that is hard to predict. I could potentially say the same thing if O'brien had stayed at BC and kept coaching Matt Ryan right?? That team was ranked in the top 2 at one point the year after he left. It was essentially the same thing as Coker taking over for Miami when Jagz took over BC...

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Now I will start taking up for Butch Davis now.......F1P2 is correct when he took over Miami, he had nothing but the NCAA watching the program like a hawk, and had to rebuild that program from scratch. Look at Beamer it took him 10 years to get a 10 win season, granted it was and is much harder to recruit to VT compared to Miami, but VT hasn't looked back. If Butch would have stayed at Miami he would have won the NC, and probably kept the program going in the right direction rather where it went after Coker took over.

Will he put Carolina in contention for a title run?? Only time will tell, all I know is he has them going in the right direction with making believers out of them, and having great success with recruiting. We just have to sit back and wait and see how he and his coaching staff develops these players.

miami gets walk ons that offers for a full ride elsewhere. florida has the best athletes period. hell UF proved it when multiple students tried out and ran sub 4.5 40s. they always get the tallent down there with or without the scholarships. can you really say that about vt, unc, nc state, or bc?????? and on the recruiting note, its not like VT gets top recruiting classes to this day. mid teens sure, but fsu, florida and UM almost always whip everyone just with the recruits they pull from florida alone.

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You realize he had 31 scholarships pulled? He didn't inherit sh*t. Miami was on so many probations when he took over. He turned Miami back into a national power. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

Yep, and those 31 scholarships were taken away over his first 3 years as HC there. That's about as tough as it gets for a new HC trying to build a team with his recruits, regardless of what state he's recruiting in.

BTW, nobody has even mentioned how long it's been since Miami was a national powerhouse, or how they aren't producing several 1st round draft picks every year like they were when BD's kids starting entering the draft. Not to mention that BD was recognized for having one of the better graduation rates while at Miami.

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