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#46 DaCityKats

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:23 PM

wow wasnt expecting that fiz.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:23 PM

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:25 PM

this sucks...doesn't sound really good


and PS...of all the places...they meet in Atlanta? jeeezus....thats not a good start


lol any particular reason atlanta isn't a good place to meet?

little too....urban for your delicate sensibilities?

#49 blackcatgrowl

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:28 PM

Millionaires vs. Billionaires...


Not attacking you personally here transitCATS... I realize you are repeating what is being said... so I'm going to reply as if I was talking to DeMaurice Smith.

The players say: Look we're takin' the biggest risk here.


Oh, but with the risk comes reward. I'd be set for life with a $4 Million contract to do what I do for 4 years. If that meant hobbling around a little, I'd gladly take it (hell, I hobble around a little from lifting heavy ass freight in my 20s for the companies I worked for).

Our bodies, our health after the game- you all don't care about us.


As far as I know, there are only a handful of companies that offer pensions anymore. And there are none I know of that offer continued health care upon termination of employment (either voluntarily or not).

Fact is, no one cares about you, nor should they have to, if you are not providing a service to them or a product for them any longer.

You want us to play more games so you won't have to pay us long term contracts because we won't last as long in the league.


Actually, I think its about getting more money for the 20 games that are played. The 18 game season would have an appended Pre-season from what I understand. If 2 Preseason games were converted into regular season games, there would be more marketing money to go around.

You owners just wanna pad your pockets. If you say the NFL is taking a lose in sales then open the books and show us why we need to take a pay cut.


Do you know how absurd this is? If the owners show a profit or loss, which they have to for Tax Reporting, then anything else is simply a matter of confidentiality and the NFLPA has NO business knowing what the details are. If the NFLPA thinks the owners are committing fraud, then they should take the matter to court for arbitration.

The players were fine with the current CBA. The Owners Choice to Opt out.


Actually, from what I recall, the contract expires this year. It's time for a new one. The NFLPA isn't coming to the table to negotiate. Just demand.


The owners say: Ok we aren't generating the kind of revenue to sustain these franchises. Revenue sharing isn't enough.


I'd need to research this, but I believe this is true. And I think its a few smaller clubs that are really suffering. But because profit sharing is league-wide, their loss is everyone's loss.

The biggest slice of the spending pie goes to you... The players.


JR's lame-ass pie chart aside, I believe this is factual.

With a rookie salary cap, playing a 18 game season, and cutting salaries we can keep the NFL in the black and continue to grow the business.


Sounds logical. If revenue is down, and costs are up, which isn't a hard to imagine thing, then the good of the organization should come first.

Now... that's not to say things will stay down like this forever. I believe a compromise would be a 5-year CBA, with an annual review for sustainability would be in order.

Edited by blackcatgrowl, 18 January 2011 - 08:31 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:28 PM

Smith is tight with Obama, thats the ace in the hole he thinks he has which is the scary thing in all this.


two black men....conspiring...possibly not really americans?

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE DEMAURICE?!?!?!

#51 Frash Brastard

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:28 PM

Goodell's 2 cents...

NFL lawyer Bob Batterman said last week that the union was more interested in legal and political avenues to achieve a labor resolution than in negotiating. Goodell said on Tuesday he would not stand for anything other than a deal reached at the bargaining table.

"This is not going to get resolved through litigation," he said. "It will get resolved through negotiation."

The two sides have bickered publicly in recent weeks with the bottom line, as Goodell said, being that no progress has been made toward the framework of a deal.

NFL owners could lock out players if the sides don't reach a new deal by the March 3 expiration date. Goodell acknowledged that the teams will be "prepared for every alternative," though he has maintained that the NFL does not want to enter a work stoppage.

"There's a very clear understanding -- if there's a work stoppage of any kind, it hurts everybody," Goodell said. "It hurts the clubs, it hurts players, it'll hurt the game, and most importantly it'll hurt our fans."


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#52 ItsNotGonnaBeAlright

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:30 PM

Where would the NFLPA file a claim? In which court and district? I'd kinda like to read the filing.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:30 PM

Not attacking you personally here transitCATS... I realize you are repeating what is being said... so I'm going to reply as if I was talking to DeMaurice Smith.



Oh, but with the risk comes reward. I'd be set for life with a $4 Million contract to do what I do for 4 years. If that meant hobbling around a little, I'd gladly take it (hell, I hobble around a little from lifting heavy ass freight in my 20s for the companies I worked for).



As far as I know, there are only a handful of companies that offer pensions anymore. And there are none I know of that offer continued health care upon termination of employment (either voluntarily or not).

Fact is, no one cares about you, nor should they have to, if you are not providing a service to them or a product for them any longer.



Actually, I think its about getting more money for the 20 games that are played. The 18 game season would have an appended Pre-season from what I understand. If 2 Preseason games were converted into regular season games, there would be more marketing money to go around.



Do you know how absurd this is? If the owners show a profit or loss, which they have to for Tax Reporting, then anything else is simply a matter of confidentiality and the NFLPA has NO business knowing what the details are. If the NFLPA thinks the owners are committing fraud, then they should take the matter to court for arbitration.



Actually, from what I recall, the contract expires this year. It's time for a new one. The NFLPA isn't coming to the table to negotiate. Just demand.


The owners say: Ok we aren't generating the kind of revenue to sustain these franchises. Revenue sharing isn't enough.

I'd need to research this, but I believe this is true. And I think its a few smaller clubs that are really suffering. But because profit sharing is league-wide, their loss is everyone's loss.



JR's lame-ass pie chart aside, I believe this is factual.



Sounds logical. If revenue is down, and costs are up, which isn't a hard to imagine thing, then the good of the organization should come first.

Now... that's not to say things will stay down like this forever. I believe a compromise would be a 5-year CBA, with an annual review for sustainability would be in order.

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#54 Fiz

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:33 PM

Where would the NFLPA file a claim? In which court and district? I'd kinda like to read the filing.


are you seriously asking where they'd file an anti-trust suit

like you don't grasp the absolute basics of this

its not going to be alright indeed...

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:33 PM

Breaking News: Fiz and KT are the same poster.

#56 ItsNotGonnaBeAlright

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:35 PM

are you seriously asking where they'd file an anti-trust suit

like you don't grasp the absolute basics of this

its not going to be alright indeed...


So this falls under anti-trust laws? I didn't know that.

But thanks for answering my question, if in a round-about way.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:36 PM

there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what collusion is.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:36 PM

two black men....conspiring...possibly not really americans?

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE DEMAURICE?!?!?!


quit trolling you Racist Lockout lover

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:37 PM

So this falls under anti-trust laws? I didn't know that.

But thanks for answering my question, if in a round-about way.


every sports league has an anti trust exemption since it's basically they're cartels. to get around this legally it's set up that the union represents all players.

if they dissolve the union then they'll have a class action suit against the owners for collusion which they would win and no self respecting person could argue against them.

unless they just flat out don't give a poo about being wrong.

#60 blackcatgrowl

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 08:38 PM

Breaking News: Fiz and KT are the same poster.


I'm going to take a stab here, and say that this is only true if you take abject sarcasm as literal fact. They are hard to tell apart sometimes.


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