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Why drafting a QB is more likely than you think

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When concerning the draft, JR chose a bad year to have a bad year, and chose it he surely did.

(unless you think Luck was lying for 3 years when he said his main goal was his degree)

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Hurney said. "But Jimmy's going to grow, just like any young quarterback. We feel like he's got the tools to be able to succeed in this league."

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/25/2009472/hurney-qb-is-panthers-no-1-need.html#ixzz1EKhAhEWg

before the "but"...

"We have to put ourselves in a position that we have competition, and do whatever we can to help our chances in the offseason of having consistent play out of that position,"

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/25/2009472/hurney-qb-is-panthers-no-1-need.html#ixzz1EKkRmhlt

implication is we aren't in a position that we have competition and we need to do something different. things aren't good enough as they are.

the writings on the wall. rivera's not sold at all on the guy.

if clausen is the guy going into next year, it will do little more than show how bad they thought the other choices are or it will show hurney's stubbornness and be more of a testament to his inability to spot QB talent. dude really doesn't need to be making the call on who the QB is going to be and he's going to really screw rivera over if he forces rivera to go with clausen.

i think he's trying not to piss off clausen or hurt his fragile psyche by including him (and pike) in on that conversation, but he can't honestly believe that clausen is the guy unless he really is deluded and thinks he can do no wrong.

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The only way we take a QB is if we end up convinced after the Combine that we're getting a guaranteed franchise-type guy. Because if we don't get one, then we're stuck going into 2012 with our last two initial picks being QBs that didn't work, and then what do we do? Draft yet another QB? That's Matt Millen territory there...

I think the only one out there who looks like he could be a franchise-type guy right now is Cam Newton. So it's either going to be him or a non-QB. And I don't think it's going to be him. But with that said, there's a ton of stuff that's going to happen between now and the draft, and everything can change in the next couple of months.

blaine gabbert looks like a joey harrington type pick to me. the kind you pick because he's a safe (boring) kind of guy. he's no superstar, but what you try to get when your desperate and having to pick the least rotten apple.

it will take balls to go after newton, but it's the kind of balls that will make you serious contenders.

and for all that "it will set the franchise abck 2-3 years if he busts" crap...what is really going to set this franchise back 2-3 years and probably 6 years is if we go out and get some stop gap player while we wait and see if clausen or pike has what it takes and let them sit a year or two more, because if they don't have it and you wait on them (or any young QB) a couple years before you give them a shot and then give them a couple more years of PT before you form a decision on him and then he doesn't turn out then you have to do the whole thing all over again. that is how you find yoursleves on the bottom for 5-6 years. that is why we are in this situation to begin with because we were too scared of making a mistake with a QB or too blind to see how big a deal getting an actual franchise QB in here is.

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I'm almost positive we go QB first overall, HIV positive, even...

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No one should expect us to pick a certain guy. Everyone should be prepared for us to pick anyone. It should'nt be a surprise to anyone if we draft Newton or Gabbert #1. Unless you're JOAT.

What?

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blaine gabbert looks like a joey harrington type pick to me. the kind you pick because he's a safe (boring) kind of guy. he's no superstar, but what you try to get when your desperate and having to pick the least rotten apple.

it will take balls to go after newton, but it's the kind of balls that will make you serious contenders.

and for all that "it will set the franchise abck 2-3 years if he busts" crap...what is really going to set this franchise back 2-3 years and probably 6 years is if we go out and get some stop gap player while we wait and see if clausen or pike has what it takes and let them sit a year or two more, because if they don't have it and you wait on them (or any young QB) a couple years before you give them a shot and then give them a couple more years of PT before you form a decision on him and then he doesn't turn out then you have to do the whole thing all over again. that is how you find yoursleves on the bottom for 5-6 years. that is why we are in this situation to begin with because we were too scared of making a mistake with a QB or too blind to see how big a deal getting an actual franchise QB in here is.

even if we do take cam first overall, we will bring in a stop gap QB. it's almost a guarantee. I'm all for drafting a QB first overall this year then signing a vet, it only increases the probability that one of our guys ends up being a franchise guy.

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What?
it would be a surprise to you if we draft a QB in the first round.

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even if we do take cam first overall, we will bring in a stop gap QB. it's almost a guarantee. I'm all for drafting a QB first overall this year then signing a vet, it only increases the probability that one of our guys ends up being a franchise guy.
how long do you wait to put the guy in the game and then how many seasons do you give him to find out if he can do the job?

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how long do you wait to put the guy in the game and then how many seasons do you give him to find out if he can do the job?

you sit the guy until he's ready. there is no time frame for that. he's either ready or he's not.

I would normally say you should wait 2-3 years after his rookie year in order to pass judgement, but i have already passed judgement on clausen myself, so call me a hypocrite.

I guess if you play your rookie QB and at the end of the year he has shown absolutely no progress, like clausen, find a new one that doesn't suck.

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you sit the guy until he's ready. there is no time frame for that. he's either ready or he's not.

I would normally say you should wait 2-3 years after his rookie year in order to pass judgement, but i have already passed judgement on clausen myself, so call me a hypocrite. if after his rookie year he has shown absolutely no progress, like clausen, find a new one that doesn't suck.

that's an indefinite amount of time. if he isn't ready sit him until he is, even though he may never be?

the ssoner we can get him in the game and find out what we have to work with and what to build on, the better. the sooner he can get in there and play the game, the better. the best way for him to learn is on the field in real game situations. we have to have the balls to let him in there, take his lumps, and help him really build and develop. you won't do him any favors by protecting him. everything is just theory until they start to see play time.

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it would be a surprise to you if we draft a QB in the first round.

Surprised and astronomical disappointment.

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The only way we take a QB is if we end up convinced after the Combine that we're getting a guaranteed franchise-type guy. Because if we don't get one, then we're stuck going into 2012 with our last two initial picks being QBs that didn't work, and then what do we do? Draft yet another QB? That's Matt Millen territory there...

Is "matt millen territory" so bad at the QB position. Remember san diego? they blew a pick on ryan leaf before they drafted brees and rivers remember?

here's an Idea I posted on another thread

here's a question for everyone. Since QB has become by far the most important position for winning a championship, and given the apparent randomness of success (anywhere from first to seventh round, etc); should NFL teams without a franchise signal caller simply keep drafting intruiging QBs until they get one that works out. if they get more than one, even better. Kind of like what detroit did with WRs a few years back. So with us, we struck out on pike last year, and probably on clausen. so this year should we draft Newton, Dalton, and somebody in the seventh... and if that doesn't work, try it all over again next year until we get OUR GUY? just a thought
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