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#166 rmoneyg35

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:14 PM

I still don't understand, what is going to happen now? what plans can be made for the NFL to exist next season?

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:16 PM

Interesting article here:
http://www.huffingto...o_b_463803.html

According to this guy (who clearly knows a shitload more about labor law than I do) there will be no lockout ...

The owners can declare an impasse and "unilaterally impose new rules for wages, hours and other terms and conditions of employment that will be, as required by labor law, substantially similar to the last proposal made to the NFLPA prior to negotiations reaching impasse."

They will then be hit with antitrust lawsuits that will take, according to this guy, five years litigate while continuing to play football under the unilaterally imposed more owner-friendly pay scale.

As the litigation progresses, they try to make a deal.

#168 Evil Hurney

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:16 PM

Either the "unions" site is down. Or they took it down to make it appear as if they actually dissolved. http://www.nflplayers.com/

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:16 PM

I still don't understand, what is going to happen now? what plans can be made for the NFL to exist next season?


Everything indicates that the owners will lockout the players. There is an high degree of chance there will not be a 2011 NFL season.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:18 PM

I don't know of a court ruling anywhere, including the Supreme Court that would order a privately owned company to show their books to anyone. There may be some legal machinations that indirectly deal with the owners refusing to bargain openly because they didn't open their books, but to specifically order a privately owned company to make public their financial dealings is a precedent no judge in their right mind would set.


I didn't want to do this...but I'm gonna break out the law books on ya now....

Cost of Labor Contracts Section clearly states under item

2. Increased financial disclosure. The employer will have to make a claim of inability to pay or financial hardship. although the company's financial information normally need not be disclosed in collective bargaining, when the employer puts profitability or financial condition in contention, the financial data MUST BE provided to substantiate the position.

#171 Evil Hurney

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:19 PM

I still don't understand, what is going to happen now? what plans can be made for the NFL to exist next season?


Right now all thats happened is that there is no longer a Players Union. Come midnight there will no longer be a CBA (there's not really one now since the union it was made with no longer exists).

After that the NFL is a business with no employees (well the ones that play football) and the players are unemployed.

Edited by Evil Hurney, 11 March 2011 - 07:21 PM.


#172 riddel

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:21 PM

Really, even though they filed in Minnesota?


Really. Once the CBA expired, decertification was not an option until 6 months had passed.

#173 rmoneyg35

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:22 PM

Right now all thats happened is that there is no longer a Players Union. Come midnight there will no longer be a CBA (there's not really one now since the union it was made with no longer exists).

After that the NFL is a business with no workers under contract and the players are unemployed.


since there is no longer a union couldnt the NFL owners take advantage and sign the players they want, like say a company hires workers for there busines, couldn't the NFL do the same with the rules they want?

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:26 PM

Really. Once the CBA expired, decertification was not an option until 6 months had passed.


Wasn't the CBA extended to midnight today? They COULD have done it again. The union decided against that option.

#175 Evil Hurney

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:29 PM

since there is no longer a union couldnt the NFL owners take advantage and sign the players they want, like say a company hires workers for there busines, couldn't the NFL do the same with the rules they want?


That is my interpretation. Now, doing this (as its been mentioned) will cause a much larger disparity in player contracts. I would think the league would want to set up some kind of "owners" agreement to keep the game competitive.

The players could band together and not sign any new contracts (in essence a strike). However, that would be dumb because there are thousands of semi-pro and UFL players who would take their spots in a heartbeat for far less pay.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:30 PM

(insert profanity here) :(


Calm down man!

#177 Yaboychris28

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:30 PM

too bad Gene Upsgaw died. he would have got sh#t done. That D. smith guy is a joke

#178 Marguide

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:32 PM

since there is no longer a union couldnt the NFL owners take advantage and sign the players they want, like say a company hires workers for there busines, couldn't the NFL do the same with the rules they want?


Yes, but here's the problem. Owners may not be able to, as a group, have internal rules regarding contracts, drafts, camp schedules, etc without potentially violating anti-trust laws.

So unless it is just open season with unlimited free agency, spending, etc. they run the risk of paying court damages in the future.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:32 PM

I don't care anymore, because if there is no football in 2011, they're f*cking themselves. And while many of us will always be diehard fans, they will no doubt hurt themselves and lose a great deal of the casual fans. Really idiotic move.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:33 PM

Do they want NFL clubs to not make a profit?


Yes, that is the attitude that has taken over America.


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