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#151 Mr. Scot

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:16 PM

Out of curiosity can u direct me to the good things. He claims he talked to two decision makers who had no concerns about Cam I just can't seem to find those quotes. Thanks in advance. :) I mean since we agree he should have posted the whole thing.

Read the full draft profile (link)

Like all his others, it's divided into positives, negatives, and a summary.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:18 PM

There is nothing wrong publicaly critiquing someone's game but critiquing their personal life is shallow.


From the article...

The best teams want to know every possible bit of dirt on a player so they can decide if he's worthy of being that team's pick. The higher rated the player, the more digging the good teams will do. They don't want ANY surprises after draft day. If they are drafting a turd, they want to know they are drafting a turd and what makes that player a turd so that they can better manage the player. One defensive back in this draft is a virgin according to a draft insider I spoke with. Should this matter to a team? I don't know, but I do know that teams even dig into this area with some players (I'm not always sure why, but they do).

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What Nawrocki did (and does) is write up prospects in the same fashion that many NFL scouts write them up, not like other media outlets write them up. Not only do scouts put the focus on their on-field attributes, but they also include anything and everything that they find out about a player that could have a positive or negative effect on the player's draft stock in his own war room. If the scout doesn't do his due diligence on a player, it could end with him getting fired. It's happened plenty of times.



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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:21 PM

I have seen this before Scot, but that kind of stuff does not need to be presented to the public. I don't see any articles about Dareus, Gabbert, or Peterson like that. So explain to me why Newton is so special. It is fine if they want to judge him based on the criteria in private but publicaly declaring some fake. Is shallow and foolish.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:25 PM

I have seen this before Scot, but that kind of stuff does not need to be presented to the public. I don't see any articles about Dareus, Gabbert, or Peterson like that. So explain to me why Newton is so special. It is fine if they want to judge him based on the criteria in private but publicaly declaring some fake. Is shallow and foolish.

He's not special. He's getting the exact same treatment that every other draft prospect from 2002 forward has gotten, which means a "warts and all" profile in the annual draft preview.

If you think Newton is the only guy that's had questions about his character published in this guide, you're not very well-informed.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:27 PM

And to all the folks saying that no draft prospect has ever been treated like Newton before, I have to ask, are your memories really that short? :sosp:

Dolphins GM asks Dez Bryant if his mother was a prostitute

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:27 PM

He's repeating what he got from scouts and personnel guys. Right or wrong, it's not just his opinion.

Take the quiz with his past reviews (other thread). You'll see this one isn't unique.




Why should I take the quiz? I don't really believe what he said was racist, as much as it was ill informed. Almost every athlete has a fake smile they turn on when the cameras start rolling. Why is there a need to call only a handful out for it?

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:34 PM

And to all the folks saying that no draft prospect has ever been treated like Newton before, I have to ask, are your memories really that short? :sosp:

Dolphins GM asks Dez Bryant if his mother was a prostitute


Dez Bryant was actually suspended for games unlike Newton, even though that question was still uncalled for you can't compare that to Newton who has not been CONVICTED of any thing criminal besides the fact that he BOUGHT a stolen lap top (He did not want to rat out the guy he bought it from which is why many belive he stole it.) On top of that Newton did not have a troubled past or troubled background.

When you are looking to draft a prospect you usually can't go wrong by looking at the players drive, ability, and athleticism. Unfortunatley, NFL scouts and analysis have shied away from this technique.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:34 PM

Why should I take the quiz? I don't really believe what he said was racist, as much as it was ill informed. Almost every athlete has a fake smile they turn on when the cameras start rolling. Why is there a need to call only a handful out for it?

Saying that he's ill-informed assumes he's wrong. He might be, but he also might not be.

Whether or not you take the quiz, if you read the profiles posted in it you'll find Newton isn't the only person that scouts and personnel people have said bad things about, including stuff on a very personal level.

(one of those guys started at quarterback for us last year)

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:40 PM

And to all the folks saying that no draft prospect has ever been treated like Newton before, I have to ask, are your memories really that short? :sosp:

Dolphins GM asks Dez Bryant if his mother was a prostitute


I would hardly compare an ignorant comment by a GM which was heavily criticized as equivalent to the months of constant critiques and comments made about Newton. You are really stretching to make a point.

Frankly given what we now about Bryant they should have looked a little deeper. Apparently he was buying jewelry on "credit" well before he graduated college. Why didn't any of that come up?? Because people were not looking that deep into his background.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:42 PM

:lol: It was funny as hell to me... picturing you... ah well. I know you get it.;)I'm not as much of a comedian as you are.


That was probably the biggest fail of a thread I've ever seen. The only response you got was someone telling you how ghey it was.

You can keep trying though. :smilielol5:

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:55 PM

I would hardly compare an ignorant comment by a GM which was heavily criticized as equivalent to the months of constant critiques and comments made about Newton. You are really stretching to make a point.

Frankly given what we now about Bryant they should have looked a little deeper. Apparently he was buying jewelry on "credit" well before he graduated college. Why didn't any of that come up?? Because people were not looking that deep into his background.

Again, this isn't unique or new. It's just new to us because we have the #1 pick this offseason. Next year it'll probably be someone else's turn, and the debate will likely be just as contentious (especially if the top choices are quarterbacks).

As to whether teams should have looked deeper into Bryant, a lot of them did. They're the ones that didn't draft him.

The one that did? Well...are you really surprised?

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 09:00 PM

But really, why should we care how much money Dez Bryant owes someone, or whether he gets tossed from a mall for violating dress code?

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 09:04 PM

But really, why should we care how much money Dez Bryant owes someone, or whether he gets tossed from a mall for violating dress code?

That's a whole other debate, honestly.

If I'm his employer, heck yes I care, and I want to know, and I'll put his can in a sling for it too.

Do fans need to know? Probably not, but as long as the press reports it and people take interest, it'll be there.

I personally don't give a rat's ass who designed the dress Angelina Jolie wore to the Oscars, but somebody does :sosp:

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 09:20 PM

That's a whole other debate, honestly.

If I'm his employer, heck yes I care, and I want to know, and I'll put his can in a sling for it too.

Do fans need to know? Probably not, but as long as the press reports it and people take interest, it'll be there.

I personally don't give a rat's ass who designed the dress Angelina Jolie wore to the Oscars, but somebody does :sosp:


We just need to keep in mind these guys are athletes, not someone in a public office. Give them hell for being late for meetings, absolutely, or anything else that has a direct impact on the team.

But in my mind, if someone is stupid enough to spend themselves into bankruptcy, that is their business. Same on the mall thing, it is juvenile and stupid, but is not a big deal in relation to a team.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 09:26 PM

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