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#121 CarolinaPanthers8789

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:04 AM

When Matt Moore started everyone called for Clausen, When Clausen started everyone called for Pike, When Pike got some playing time everyone called for AE. When AE didn't start we settled for St. Pierre and Null.

Could it be, that not just our staff but our entire QB corp SUCKED.

We got rid of one of the SUCKERS in the staff, now lets get rid of the rest in the QB's and lets take a chance for once.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:13 AM

The coaches were telling him to throw the ball deep, but he didn't want to listen.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:15 AM

The coaches were telling him to throw the ball deep, but he didn't want to listen.


Well in that case, it was a good thing because when he finally did start listening, every deep ball was picked off.

Edited by CarolinaPanthers8789, 23 April 2011 - 11:32 AM.


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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:29 AM

Why are we giving Jimmy praise for not listening to coaches while not giving everyone else criticism for listening to the coaches? Damn you Beason and Williams.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:32 AM

Ok sorry back to bashing Clausen for not listening to his coaches.

I mean everyone said they were sorry to see Fox go and they loved him as a coach. Except Jimmy he wanted to kill him.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:17 PM

Since people always seem to question me when I bring this up, I found a place where it's quoted from his chat.
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2011/3/31/2083769/independent-scout-mike-giddings-and-advisor-to-the-panthers


So there.

Do you realize who you're quoting? I mean, I like James and all, but he's no more informed than you or I. And he's "quoting" Gantt without a link, as if Gantt made a tweet or a blog post that Clausen didn't listen to his coaches. And you're grabbing the content from the comments thread at that. What's the functional difference between this source here and finding something PStall said in a thread about Clausen and treating that as God's wisdom?

I think that it may be likely that Clausen chose not to listen to Scherer regarding some mechanics, but I doubt he ignored Davidson or Fox. Or maybe he chose to ignore the coach's advice regarding his injury. Or he might have been out there calling his own plays. There's a ton of context that's lacking from that post which could make it mean many different things. So really, because it can mean almost anything, it doesn't mean anything.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:30 PM

Do you realize who you're quoting? I mean, I like James and all, but he's no more informed than you or I. And he's "quoting" Gantt without a link, as if Gantt made a tweet or a blog post that Clausen didn't listen to his coaches. And you're grabbing the content from the comments thread at that. What's the functional difference between this source here and finding something PStall said in a thread about Clausen and treating that as God's wisdom?

I think that it may be likely that Clausen chose not to listen to Scherer regarding some mechanics, but I doubt he ignored Davidson or Fox. Or maybe he chose to ignore the coach's advice regarding his injury. Or he might have been out there calling his own plays. There's a ton of context that's lacking from that post which could make it mean many different things. So really, because it can mean almost anything, it doesn't mean anything.


Look, i had read it in a chat back in february; that chat was long since overwritten. It's the only place I could find the quote, so I had to make due. I know Gantt said it, but hey believe what you want.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:42 PM

Maybe we should give Clausen a little more credit. Sounds like he was trying to figure out the NFL all on his own haha.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:18 PM

I can't defend a guy not listening to coaches, even bad ones.

I'll grant that the situation was awful last year and there have been some statements about the coaches not even really coaching, but you still have to give it your personal best even in a bad situation like that.

For what it's worth, people have been saying that Clausen's working his tail off this offseason. I hope that's true.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:20 PM

I think all three QB's deserve a pass and a shot with the new regime and an actual QB coach.

I'd agree with that.

But if I were Rivera, I'd still make a mental note of this story (if true).

Today, there was a grammatical error made... That will live in infamy.

(What do I when?)

A visit from Tommy Jone.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:31 PM

td/int is one of the worst metrics to use, but hell, let's go ahead. in their last season of college, Newton was 30/7. Clausen was 28/4. Guess which is better when we're being all stupid and nutty about stats?

edit: btw I prefer to look at how many passes are thrown per interception because if you throw the ball a ton you should have more interceptions, but that is not the same as throwing them more often per pass attempt... ultimately tho they still are poor ways to look at this kind of thing because you actually need to watch the game tape to see what caused the interceptions.

Wish more people got that sort of thing.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:35 PM

When Matt Moore started everyone called for Clausen, When Clausen started everyone called for Pike, When Pike got some playing time everyone called for AE. When AE didn't start we settled for St. Pierre and Null.

Could it be, that not just our staff but our entire QB corp SUCKED.

We got rid of one of the SUCKERS in the staff, now lets get rid of the rest in the QB's and lets take a chance for once.


If 6 pro QBs failed here, could it be that the problem was not QB? Would that make more sense than to say that all 6 need to leave and justify it by suggesting that we gamble on a QB with character, mechanical, and cerebral questions?

Did we not take a chance when we went with Moore and Clausen? If it takes time to transition to the NFL, and Cam lovers say, "Give him time behind a vet for a year," then why is it smart to get rid of Moore and Clausen before they have had the same opportunity? This situation will be 100% better in Carolina this year. Moore had a 98 QB rating in 2009. Why are we all so quick to give up on these 2 QBs who have each started about 10 games?

Take a chance? no. Take a calculated risk? yes. But impatience will get you nowhere. Moore and Clausen need another year. Bring in a 35 year old vet for precautionary purposes. Give Newton up to $55 million? That is not a chance, that is gambling without regarding the red flags. (See Raiders, Jamarcus Russell; Chargers, Ryan Leaf; Titans, Vince Young; Bengals, Akili Smith; Lions, Joey Harrington; Ravens, Kyle Boller; Browns, Tim Couch; Jaguars, Byron Leftwich; Lions, Andre Ware; Cardinals, Matt Leinart; Broncos, The Golden Calf of Bristol; 49ers, Alex Smith; Vikings, Tavares Jackson)--Only Akili Smith had more red flags concerning character, and he was a more accurate passer. Also a one-hit wonder in college with 30 TDs. These organizations took a chance.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by mav1234
td/int is one of the worst metrics to use, but hell, let's go ahead. in their last season of college, Newton was 30/7. Clausen was 28/4. Guess which is better when we're being all stupid and nutty about stats?

edit: btw I prefer to look at how many passes are thrown per interception because if you throw the ball a ton you should have more interceptions, but that is not the same as throwing them more often per pass attempt... ultimately tho they still are poor ways to look at this kind of thing because you actually need to watch the game tape to see what caused the interceptions


Akili Smith was a mobile, athletic qb with better accuracy than Newton. He was also a 1-hit wonder, and he also threw 30 TD passes in 1998. He also had red flags concerning character, and he also ran a 1-read offense. He is considered the second biggest bust at QB (behind Leaf) in NFL history. If he were playing today, the same people supporting Cam would be SCREAMING for him, and calling people who say, "wait just a minute" racists. Just the way it is. You can't change dumb when the mind closes. It is locked in forever.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:41 PM

If 6 pro QBs failed here, could it be that the problem was not QB? Would that make more sense than to say that all 6 need to leave and justify it by suggesting that we gamble on a QB with character, mechanical, and cerebral questions?

Did we not take a chance when we went with Moore and Clausen? If it takes time to transition to the NFL, and Cam lovers say, "Give him time behind a vet for a year," then why is it smart to get rid of Moore and Clausen before they have had the same opportunity? This situation will be 100% better in Carolina this year. Moore had a 98 QB rating in 2009. Why are we all so quick to give up on these 2 QBs who have each started about 10 games?

Take a chance? no. Take a calculated risk? yes. But impatience will get you nowhere. Moore and Clausen need another year. Bring in a 35 year old vet for precautionary purposes. Give Newton up to $55 million? That is not a chance, that is gambling without regarding the red flags. (See Raiders, Jamarcus Russell; Chargers, Ryan Leaf; Titans, Vince Young; Bengals, Akili Smith; Lions, Joey Harrington; Ravens, Kyle Boller; Browns, Tim Couch; Jaguars, Byron Leftwich; Lions, Andre Ware; Cardinals, Matt Leinart; Broncos, The Golden Calf of Bristol; 49ers, Alex Smith; Vikings, Tavares Jackson)--Only Akili Smith had more red flags concerning character, and he was a more accurate passer. Also a one-hit wonder in college with 30 TDs. These organizations took a chance.


Not one QB the Panthers have on their roster or even QB that has been on their roster is starter material on any team. If you are fine playing for next year, then the year after that then keep telling me we shouldn't have drafted Newton. When Newton proves to be that one guy that can turn a franchise around you will eat crow my friend.

Btw you forgot guys like Big Ben, Vick, Josh Freeman, and Jay Cutler. All of those QB's ran the ball like Newton did in college and all of them were in the playoffs last year.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by mav1234
td/int is one of the worst metrics to use, but hell, let's go ahead. in their last season of college, Newton was 30/7. Clausen was 28/4. Guess which is better when we're being all stupid and nutty about stats?

edit: btw I prefer to look at how many passes are thrown per interception because if you throw the ball a ton you should have more interceptions, but that is not the same as throwing them more often per pass attempt... ultimately tho they still are poor ways to look at this kind of thing because you actually need to watch the game tape to see what caused the interceptions


Akili Smith was a mobile, athletic qb with better accuracy than Newton. He was also a 1-hit wonder, and he also threw 30 TD passes in 1998. He also had red flags concerning character, and he also ran a 1-read offense. He is considered the second biggest bust at QB (behind Leaf) in NFL history. If he were playing today, the same people supporting Cam would be SCREAMING for him, and calling people who say, "wait a minute" racists. Just the way it is. You can't change dumb when the mind closes. It is locked in forever.



Smith's accuracy 1998 One hit wonder season
58%

Cam Newton's accuracy 2010 season
66.1%

Yeah Smith was way more accurate.

You sir, are an idiot.


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