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Roger Goodell: Football's Future If the Players Win


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#136 riddel

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:41 AM

Why stop there? Why not compare NFL work to slavery? Oh yeah... already been done

>> Thanks for the neg rep... I'll consider it a compliment


indentured servant.

you're welcome.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:44 AM

Goodell is hurting the owners, Jerry might want to shut him up.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:48 AM

Goodell is hurting the owners, Jerry might want to shut him up.


He has lost all credibility with the players....this was not his fight to fight....his position was to support the players and owners, so when business resumes, his name is mud with the players.

Richardson isn't the right guy to shut him up either...Richardson's ego is the reason the owners are getting their arses handed to them right now.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:49 AM

A player is only an asset while under contract. Which makes it technically not an asset in every sense of the word. Plus even under contract the would be 'owner' of the asset cannot deal the asset as he/she pleases as one would if it were a true asset.

Julius Peppers anyone?

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:50 AM

the owners are getting their arses handed to them right now.




lmao@ your dumb ass

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:55 AM

The owners/franchises should be able to setup the NFL system they way they see best, the players should have zero say whatsoever. The Owners should be able to determine amongst themselves, apart from govt., the best way to run their business which includes Salary Caps, Revenue sharing for smaller market teams and Player allocation as they come into the NFL....as well as steroid use, etc.

The players should abide by the rules they then choose to work under, and if they don't like them choose to make their living in Canada, NFL Europe or McDonalds.

Its a break from this basic morality(i.e. trampling of others Private Property Rights) that is the root cause of this mess. Entitlement mentality.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:02 AM

He has lost all credibility with the players....this was not his fight to fight....his position was to support the players and owners, so when business resumes, his name is mud with the players.

Richardson isn't the right guy to shut him up either...Richardson's ego is the reason the owners are getting their arses handed to them right now.


no Jerry should do it, so it can make them both look like bigger idiots. he suppose to be the middle man but has obviously took one side.can we get paul to the table.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:47 AM

A player is only an asset while under contract. Which makes it technically not an asset in every sense of the word. Plus even under contract the would be 'owner' of the asset cannot deal the asset as he/she pleases as one would if it were a true asset.

Julius Peppers anyone?


idiot.

Peppers is one of the largest assets in the NFL. Players register with the NFL to become players and as long as they are a registered player, then they are an asset, whether it be an appreciating or depreciating asset is a different story.

It's like a car with a title. As long as the car as a title, it is considered an asset. Once a car loses it's title or is totaled, then it is no longer an asset. Just because a car owner no longer wants to pay for the car, that doesn't mean it's no longer an asset, you idiot. Someone else very well may want to pay for the car, so the asset is transferred to another party and whether the original owner receives financial compensation for the asset or not make no difference.

Once a player loses their NFL eligibility or retires, they are no longer an NFL asset, although they could become a media asset, such as Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman...ect.. The Panthers received a 3rd round pick for Peppers, so I'd say that is compensation, whether it's fair or not.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 11:36 AM

idiot.

Peppers is one of the largest assets in the NFL. Players register with the NFL to become players and as long as they are a registered player, then they are an asset, whether it be an appreciating or depreciating asset is a different story.

It's like a car with a title. As long as the car as a title, it is considered an asset. Once a car loses it's title or is totaled, then it is no longer an asset. Just because a car owner no longer wants to pay for the car, that doesn't mean it's no longer an asset, you idiot. Someone else very well may want to pay for the car, so the asset is transferred to another party and whether the original owner receives financial compensation for the asset or not make no difference.

Once a player loses their NFL eligibility or retires, they are no longer an NFL asset, although they could become a media asset, such as Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman...ect.. The Panthers received a 3rd round pick for Peppers, so I'd say that is compensation, whether it's fair or not.


most detached analogy ever. car and a title?

lmao

Go back and report to DeMaurice that you failed here and we think he is a prick.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 11:51 AM

On a moral level I agree that players should be able to chose where they go. In a sense their success relies on it. Better coaching/future could rely on that. They also have to spend a lot of time there. So I understand completely where they are coming from. I support the owners. While I recognize this, it is a competitive market and I, as a paying fan and a source of all the money they argue about want it to remain that way. There MUST be a balance, otherwise we have baseball. Is that what you guys want? The Cowboys to win every super bowl like the Yankees just becasue they have more money and a waiting list of players who want to play for them? Because that is exactly what is going to happen. On a moral level I agree with the players but the bigger picture here isn't to be fair, 90% of Americans don't get to chose the job or jobs they do, people they work with and a lot of the time where they have to work. It is the way it is and it needs to be preserved that way to ensure a future.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 11:58 AM

most detached analogy ever. car and a title?

lmao

Go back and report to DeMaurice that you failed here and we think he is a prick.


well that prick did his job successfully.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 01:14 PM

well that prick did his job successfully.


Yes he did. And now, based on that success he is asking the courts to force the NFL into operating in a way that would not violate any anti-trust laws.

http://profootballta...tay-is-granted/

Congrats. The NFL as we knew it is over. No more daft, salary cap, or free agent restrictions. And the Courts will agree with DeSmith and force the league to do this.

I can't believe so many people really thought this wasn't the goal of the NFLPA all along...

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 02:28 PM

idiot.

Peppers is one of the largest assets in the NFL. Players register with the NFL to become players and as long as they are a registered player, then they are an asset, whether it be an appreciating or depreciating asset is a different story.

It's like a car with a title. As long as the car as a title, it is considered an asset. Once a car loses it's title or is totaled, then it is no longer an asset. Just because a car owner no longer wants to pay for the car, that doesn't mean it's no longer an asset, you idiot. Someone else very well may want to pay for the car, so the asset is transferred to another party and whether the original owner receives financial compensation for the asset or not make no difference.

Once a player loses their NFL eligibility or retires, they are no longer an NFL asset, although they could become a media asset, such as Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman...ect.. The Panthers received a 3rd round pick for Peppers, so I'd say that is compensation, whether it's fair or not.


Seeing such logic to its end, employee contracts of all kinds should be outlawed.

NFL players are not forced to play in the NFL. In fact, the simple truth is that they come in droves just for the chance to do it. The rules in place have allowed the sport to become what it is and the contracts to become what they are in the past two decades. Players have benefited more than anyone else in the industry. When the model reached its breaking point of being sustainable, the owners did the responsible thing and sought to make the necessary adjustments to keep the business viable.

Now the upper echelon of the player aristocracy have opted to fight for that last 3% (because they are truly the only ones getting it) at the expense of their peers. Instead of doing the moral thing and actually making the Union work for their constituency, they opted to "lawyer up" and bring down the system not only for the intermediate short-term, but for all future constituents as well. Don't even mention the veterans that paid the price before them. Nope, in these guys' eyes, the old codgers should just shut up and crumble beneath their feet while the mountain of men that provided the basis for their success continues to suffer.... unappreciated.

Your arguments are tired
Your logic is flawed
Your ideals are precisely what will end up killing the sport
Your pathology is representative of what will be the ultimate end the American dream

The real kicker is that you and people like you think that you are smart/witty when you can't even understand a simple counterargument and demonstrated repercussions of your ultimate ends. You want to be right at all costs.... even if it destroys everything and everyone around you.

Looks like you are getting your wish. Congratulations on your completely rationalized (thereby compromised) sense of morality. You're going to make a great lawyer