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#1 Catalyst

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 05:26 AM

Sort of a survey here. What do you consider yourself politically? Liberal, conservative, moderate, etc.? And more importantly, why?

For me, I consider myself a left-leaning independent. I've always voted for the democratic POTUS candidate but do vote for republicans at times at the state and local level. I'm a little more conservative when it comes to social issues - outside of gay marriage - family values, abortion, etc.

I'm especially liberal on economic issues. The reason for this is because I've seen poverty first hand and just don't buy the conservative viewpoint that hard work is all someone needs to get out of it. I watched my mom bust her ass for years when I was a kid, work as hard as anyone, but in the end the bills always more than what we had. I've since found myself in the very same situation and only got out after receiving government assistance in the form of a pel grant to go to college, which I'd have never been able to afford otherwise.

I also live in a very conservative area and have always found conservatives - generally speaking - to just not be very nice people. They always come off to me as selfish, close-minded, spiteful, and uncaring. Often times I wouldn't find out their political leanings until I had known them for a while and then an election would come around and I'd see a GoP bumper sticker or something. That's a generalization obviously, and I'm not saying every conservative I've ever met has been this way or that all of them are, but it's always been my experience that many, many are and also that, for the most part, the opposite is true of most liberals I've crossed paths with.

Also, I've always been a fan of history and know more about it than most probably do, and it's because of this that I've been able to put the liberal/conservative divide in perspective - not just what it is today, but what it's been over the decades or even centuries. It just appears to me that conservatives have been on the wrong side of history on almost every major social and economic issue this country has ever had.

There's slavery, when the social conservatives were democrats in the south, civil rights when the same was true, women's rights as well. All opposed - often violently - by conservatives who feared change and supported by progressives. On the economic side it was liberal policies that resulted in drastically improved working conditions in the early 20th century when big business was exploiting workers blatantly, including child labor. They also ushered in the first health code laws, meat inspection laws, sanitation laws, etc. Conservatives opposed most of these steps on the basis that the government was over-stepping its authority. Later in the 30's it was ultraconservative fiscal policy that lead to the depression and a refusal to use the government to help that made it even worse. Conservatives opposed the minimum wage, social security, and medicare.

Thing is, I understand their POV. I get where they're coming from, but when I hear a conservative tell me that they 'don't believe in poverty' and that if someone is poor it's because they just aren't working hard enough, that tells me they simply have never been in that situation and don't understand OR that they simply just don't give a damn.

In the end, it comes down to the fact that I don't like the vision it seems most conservatives have for this country. That every one out for themselves, Darwin economics driven, only the strong/rich get by attitude that so many of them seem to have. That's just not the country I want to live in and I don't believe it's the kind of country our founding fathers envisioned either.

#2 Happy Panther

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 07:20 AM

registered libertarian but part of the non-partisan radical middle who usually can't find anyone to vote for.

A fiscally conservative socially liberal candidate such as Gary Johnson would get my vote (and a large number of American's) but the Republican and democratic behemoths would never allow such a thing.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 09:50 AM

I like voting against incumbents regardless of political affiliation.

#4 Epistaxis

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 09:55 AM

registered libertarian but part of the non-partisan radical middle who usually can't find anyone to vote for.

A fiscally conservative socially liberal candidate such as Gary Johnson would get my vote (and a large number of American's) but the Republican and democratic behemoths would never allow such a thing.


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#5 Kitten Diver

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 09:57 AM

extremely conservative, with an exception for legalized weed. but ill vote for whoever will get washington to leave me te fug alone with their taxes and their welfare.
You dont have food? Make a weapon and kill it.
You dont have heat?Build a fire.
You dont have sheltor? I'll loan you an axe. Make one for fugs sake!

fug you DC!

#6 Future Of The Franchise

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 10:00 AM

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#7 Jase

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 10:03 AM

< internet libertarian who pretends to be above the fray so as to maintain a 'smarter than thou, holier than thou' persona.

#8 The Saltman

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 10:04 AM

I'm a radical muslim who believes that a womans place is only in the kitchen.

Wait a minute...

#9 mmmbeans

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 10:09 AM

extremely conservative, with an exception for legalized weed. but ill vote for whoever will get washington to leave me te fug alone with their taxes and their welfare.
You dont have food? Make a weapon and kill it.
You dont have heat?Build a fire.
You dont have sheltor? I'll loan you an axe. Make one for fugs sake!

fug you DC!


hey, can i borrow your axe?

#10 88 Bronco

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 10:11 AM

I'm a radical muslim who believes that a womans place is only in the kitchen.

Wait a minute...

Besides the praying five times a day, I agree with you.

#11 HoFBound90

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 10:15 AM

I can see this thread, started with honest intentions, taking a sharp turn into oblivion very shortly.

Wish I was witty enough to help it take that turn.

#12 Chimera

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 11:46 AM

I just consider myself very anti-socialist.
After reading the OP, I guess I'd just say everything opposite. I tend to vote Dem in local elections, but no so much in national elections.

I'm very conservative on economic issues, mainly because, like the OP, I grew up poor - but I saw that hard work and determination, not the government, can get you out of it.

I believe social issues are really non-issues.... distractions from the people who are paid to insult your intelligence on a daily basis. I mean, we've had GOP majorities with a Dem president, with a GOP president; and Dem majorities with a GOP president and with a Dem president ---- have the laws for abortion, gay marriage, etc changed? No? That's what I'm talking about. Anyone who gets worked up over these issues, in my opinion, is a fugging idiot.

#13 Kitten Diver

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 11:49 AM

hey, can i borrow your axe?


yes. $75 refundable deposit first:)

#14 Bronn

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 11:59 AM

I'm ultimately an anarchist...

I have liberal and conservative beliefs, while both equally loving and hating humanity...

I don't think people should hold positions of authority over other people that aren't their own children, and I think average people could do a lot better job at managing themselves and their communities without the need of a ruling class.

I believe wealth should be measured in your contributions/limit of burden upon society, and that everyone, regardless of heritage, sex, or state of monetary and material wealth should have just as much of a shot at enjoying anything in this life that anyone else does.

If people refuse a fair chance to provide for themselves and their community, they should be left solitary to reap the consequences of their choices.

If people refuse to allow others a fair chance by way of greed or desire for personal profit (redundant?), they should be removed from society.

There should also be no reflection of individual or organized spirituality in the media, or in the public light. Religion should be a private thing shared only amongst those who choose to believe in it, with no drive to convert nonbelievers.

What else do you want my opinions on?

#15 King

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 12:20 PM

Classical liberal politically, Objectivist philosophically. No, I don't affiliate with libertarians.

Reading Atlus Shrugged a few times in high school put me on the path I am now.


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