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Julius Peppers, No Problem.

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one person does not win the super bowl :out:

Exactly my point.

In Carolina, for whatever reason, though paid millions of $$s, he played when he wanted to play. He still does.

The Panthers can win the ball game Sunday and they can handle Julius, lesser teams have done it.

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Exactly my point.

In Carolina, for whatever reason, though paid millions of $$s, he played when he wanted to play. He still does.

The Panthers can win the ball game Sunday and they can handle Julius, lesser teams have done it.

Jared Allen shows up in every game per Panther fans unlike Peppers....b/c Beason tweeted about him.

Did anyone watch Allen last year.......he would go entire games and you wouldn't even know he was on the field. It happens to all 4-3 DEs.

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All Cat'sGrowl has proven in this thread is that he has a strong baseless opinion, sticks to it, and pulls out a "herp derp" at times where it doesn't even belong other than his own mind...

Basically, I didn't say anything about him being native to NC, or anything else he said I said...

lol, no wonder I stopped posting in the Panthers forums when jackasses like him came aboard...

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he is good, he is not elite (cole that is)

That would be a false, my good man. Trent Cole is one of the premier DE's in this league. You can research that yourself if you like.

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That would be a false, my good man. Trent Cole is one of the premier DE's in this league. You can research that yourself if you like.

Cole is underrated and very good.....and a top DE in the NFL. But a Peppers he is not.

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Cole is underrated and very good.....and a top DE in the NFL. But a Peppers he is not.

I disagree. Cole has outproduced Pepper's almost every season since he came into the league five years ago, and, like Peppers will draw double teams and will do all the extra curricular things a DE can do and do them well.

I just can't grasp where this notion that Pepper's is all world is coming from. He's great, but he isn't premier. People like to ignore the production and say that Peppers' greatness comes from the other things he does, but nothing else he does isn't anything that other great DE's don't do. It's not like he's been a freak in coverage, he hasn't been a top 5 pass rusher, he's never excelled against the run, and while he has drawn double teams and created that presence on the field, he has never been strong enough to beat them consistently.

Some will say that you gameplan "around" him, but that isn't a trait that is unique to him. Most offenses do that, they attack the side of the field with the weaker players. Julius isn't unique in his ability to do that, it's rather commonplace.

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um besides the fact he plays the run well, and can pick a ball off and crib your ass at 6'7 290. not to mention his bag of moves to get to the qb dude is a monster.

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I disagree. Cole has outproduced Pepper's almost every season since he came into the league five years ago, and, like Peppers will draw double teams and will do all the extra curricular things a DE can do and do them well.

I just can't grasp where this notion that Pepper's is all world is coming from. He's great, but he isn't premier. People like to ignore the production and say that Peppers' greatness comes from the other things he does, but nothing else he does isn't anything that other great DE's don't do. It's not like he's been a freak in coverage, he hasn't been a top 5 pass rusher, he's never excelled against the run, and while he has drawn double teams and created that presence on the field, he has never been strong enough to beat them consistently.

Some will say that you gameplan "around" him, but that isn't a trait that is unique to him. Most offenses do that, they attack the side of the field with the weaker players. Julius isn't unique in his ability to do that, it's rather commonplace.

No, Cole hasn't taken over games to the degree Peppers did in Chicago last year.....and that doesn't show up on a stat sheet.

as far as your stats go...

Past 3 seasons (recent history)- Cole missed 1 game in those 3 years, Peppers 0.

Cole - 5 forced fumbles

Peppers - 13 forced fumbles

Cole - 0 INTs

Peppers - 4 INTs

Cole - 4 passes defended

Peppers - 19 passes defended

Cole - 31 sacks

Peppers - 33 sacks

Cole - 157 tackles (solo)

Peppers - 119 tackles

So you are claiming Cole right now is superior to Peppers? Recent history in the NFL both watching the games and the stat sheet shows Peppers makes more plays.

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I disagree. Cole has outproduced Pepper's almost every season since he came into the league five years ago, and, like Peppers will draw double teams and will do all the extra curricular things a DE can do and do them well.

I just can't grasp where this notion that Pepper's is all world is coming from. He's great, but he isn't premier. People like to ignore the production and say that Peppers' greatness comes from the other things he does, but nothing else he does isn't anything that other great DE's don't do. It's not like he's been a freak in coverage, he hasn't been a top 5 pass rusher, he's never excelled against the run, and while he has drawn double teams and created that presence on the field, he has never been strong enough to beat them consistently.

Some will say that you gameplan "around" him, but that isn't a trait that is unique to him. Most offenses do that, they attack the side of the field with the weaker players. Julius isn't unique in his ability to do that, it's rather commonplace.

2005

Cole

46 tackles 5 sacks 1FF

Pep

50 tackles 10.5 sacks 2FF

2006

Cole

62 tackles 8 sacks 1FF

Pep

57 tackles 13 sacks 3FF

2008

Cole

77 tackles 9 sacks 2FF

Pep

51 tackles 14.5 sacks 5FF

I wouldn't say Cole outperformed Pep almost every season

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No, Cole hasn't taken over games to the degree Peppers did in Chicago last year.....and that doesn't show up on a stat sheet.

as far as your stats go...

Past 3 seasons (recent history)- Cole missed 1 game in those 3 years, Peppers 0.

Cole - 5 forced fumbles

Peppers - 13 forced fumbles

Cole - 0 INTs

Peppers - 4 INTs

Cole - 4 passes defended

Peppers - 19 passes defended

Cole - 31 sacks

Peppers - 33 sacks

Cole - 157 tackles (solo)

Peppers - 119 tackles

So you are claiming Cole right now is superior to Peppers? Recent history in the NFL both watching the games and the stat sheet shows Peppers makes more plays.

The passes defensed are impressive, but the picks and the fumbles? How much of that isn't just luck? Catching a tipped ball? Forcing a fumble?

They are impressive numbers, but they can't be directly attributed to skill.

The tackles can..and the margin there is impressive, You could make the argument they are running away from Peppers, but they are doing the same thing to Cole as well..

Technically Cole has 31.5 half sacks over the past 3 seasons, and if you go back 4, he blows Peppers out of the water, as that was his 2.5 sack stat year (just to address that part of the stat sheet you listed)

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