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#25 GamecockSmitty4

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:36 PM

Give it up, GS4, he's axe grinding. He isn't going to see the facts you've presented, he's going to look at your screen name and ignore everything else. He obviously had some kind of awkward problem with USC, and it bleeds into his posts whenever a Gamecock is brought up as a possible draftee.

Ironically enough, every Tarheel that hits the waiver wire or Sooner that is there for the picking is somehow the final cog to our team.

As I said, ignore him. JOAT's a good poster but it would seem he's more of a college guy than a pro fella because his opinion on schools affects his judgement of prospects.


Yeah man. I mean I just don't understand why people have such a hate towards college kids sometimes. I think you're exactly right about the problem with USC thing. And I know I don't talk about other guys as much as I do Gamecocks but that's mostly because I watch them every game and know what they are capable of. I honestly don't think this guy has ever seen Alshon in person. Or if so, just blindly ignores what he does because of his hatred. Some people just choose to be ignorant I guess...

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:41 PM

I'm not even "in love" with Alshon. I just think he is way better than people give him credit. You have yet to say anything about his jump-ball skills, body control, physicality, etc. You choose to be stuck on the fact that he doesn't run a 4.2 40 yard dash and that is your only basis for saying he's not any good.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:41 PM

Stupid is as stupid does.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:45 PM

I'm not even "in love" with Alshon. I just think he is way better than people give him credit. You have yet to say anything about his jump-ball skills, body control, physicality, etc. You choose to be stuck on the fact that he doesn't run a 4.2 40 yard dash and that is your only basis for saying he's not any good.


I never said anywhere that he wasn't good- nowhere. The fact that you're putting words in my mouth and getting so defensive tells me how much of a homer you are.

I just think he's a number one WR and that's what we need. I see that in Blackmon. I see the need for a speed guy on the outside because of the nature of our offense. Because I think he'll struggle getting seperation without speed at the NFL level.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:54 PM

I never said anywhere that he wasn't good- nowhere. The fact that you're putting words in my mouth and getting so defensive tells me how much of a homer you are.

I just think he's a number one WR and that's what we need. I see that in Blackmon. I see the need for a speed guy on the outside because of the nature of our offense. Because I think he'll struggle getting seperation without speed at the NFL level.


Outside of the first paragraph, this is your first quality post in this thread with a legitimate argument. The point about you saying he isn't good is when you compared him to USCw Mike Williams. No, you didn't say he's not good. But you compared him to a terrible receiver. That is practically the same thing. And my getting defensive isn't just because of you. It's because of people all over this site saying that Alshon is going to be a bust simply because they dislike USC. But now that we have a bit of a discussion going, I will put this aside.

My argument to the separation issue is that Alshon uses his physicality to get separation rather than speed. Off the top of my head, there is a slant route in the Alabama highlights where Alshon was covered tight by Dre Kirkpatrick but uses his size advantage to push him aside and get some space. That is his game. He does this as good as anyone I have seen. The TD he caught also shows him using his physicality and then a short burst of speed to break away from the CB for an easy score. 1-on-1, there isn't one DB in the SEC that can completely shut Alshon down. Not to mention that he runs and adjusts to that back-shoulder fade with the best of them.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:58 PM

CB's are a lot more physical in the NFL, I don't think that'll get him as far in the NFL, much like Mike Williams. He was awesome in college, but his game just didn't translate to the NFL. I don't think Jeffrey will be that good of a pro receiver. I didn't make a Jarrett comparison, but I do think it's fitting.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 09:04 PM

They are more physical, yes, but it's not like Alshon struggles with the college DBs. Again, go back and look what he did to Kirkpatrick as an example, especially the catch at the 1:50 mark. Alshon showed that a CB draped over him doesn't even affect his ability to catch and run with the ball. And Kirkpatrick is widely known as the most physical CB in the NCAA. I think the best comparison I've seen so far is Brandon Marshall.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:01 PM

:lol:

Now I'm being a homer because I fail to see what a terrible player Alshon Jeffery is and that any Gamecock player is mentioned because he is a Gamecock. You serious, JOAT?

Perhaps you should try to steer clear of this subforum.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:54 PM

haha. I'd hate to see what he thinks about Marcus Lattimore. Guarantee you he would bring up the speed thing with him too.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:39 PM

People here are bashing Jeffery for being a possession WR while pumping up Blackmon as the next Steve Smith when Blackmon himself is a possession WR. Blackmon doesn't have elite speed or size, on his best day he runs around a 4.45 40 and hes only 6'1. His strengths are route running, body positioning and being able to go get the ball when its in the air.

IMO Jeffreys ceiling is higher then Blackmons but Jeffrey also has more bust potential. If things work out for Blackmon hes a slightly bigger Reggie Wayne, if things don't hes Michael Crabtree. If things work out for Jeffery hes a slightly lesser Larry Fitz, if things don't hes Mike Williams or Dwayne Jarrett.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 01:43 AM

Blackmon's 40ty range is from 4.45 to 4.64, he usually runs a low 4.5

Jeffery's 40ty range is from 4.46 to 4.65, usually runs a 4.56-4.58

I don't think either one is an elite NFL wr. They can be, but Jeffery needs to work on his core and build his strength up. He went into college having never lifted weights and isn't very strong, in the NFL he will be jammed and hard.

Blackmon is more polished but lacks the ideal size for a guy with a 4.5 speed. Better route runner and has more hip fluidity. He would be an ideal WR in a WCO or in the slot in a more vertical passing offense.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 10:34 AM

Alshon is clearly far and away the best Receiving prospect in this class, but unfortunatley, Blackmon is better suited to this offense. The thing with Blackmon is that he is boom or bust. He may be good, or he may bust very, very bad. Floyd I would not touch with a ten foot pole. Beyond that, just a bunch of guys in this year's class that we should have no desire for.


LOL, since when? This really does sound like homer speak, especially since its such a point of contention here.

Edited by kdrh5, 03 November 2011 - 10:38 AM.