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#13 catfang

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 08:31 AM

This can all be true, but overcoming 40 years of neglect and almost-rans is going to take time these companies don't have.

When I went shopping for a new car, I wanted to lease a convertible. My main choices were the Miata, the Solstice, and it's Saturn cousin the Sky.

Saturn didn't lease, so it was out. The Pontiac looked pretty cool, and technically had a faster motor than the Miata - but the interior felt more confined and less refined. The top went into the trunk which took up like 90 percent of that space. In order to put the top down you had to stop the car, get out, unhinge the back section and lift it up, fold the top into the trunk, and move some covers on the roof snaps or something like that. The Miata - I just pull a latch and throw the top backwards and it locks into its own storage while I'm at a light. Getting it back up in a hurry is a nice feature for unexpected rain storms.

It's another example of marketing over function. It was a lot more about how cheaply could they make a car that looked cool at the dealership, and less about what people actually want in a car.

For my next car I am seriously considering a Ford - I love the look of the new Challenger too, but will there be parts for it a few years from now?


Um, miata? :D

J/k

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 08:40 AM

Reading Cookin's comments, I have a simliar story... we're not really in the market, but I've looked a little bit lately just to see what was out there. We stopped and looked at the new Ford Fusion the other day and I must say that I was impressed. The quality looked good and it looked a lot more like a modern car than some of the other recent Ford's I've seen, particularly on the interior. For some reason it took the American car companies a LONG time to wake up and realize that the foreign makers were killing them in both value and quality. I guess they figured brand loyalty would keep them afloat?

Sunday there was a car show at the local Chevy dealer and I took my boys over there... while I was there I checked out a brand new 2009 Cobalt SS... granted it was the top of the line model, but I would seriously consider buying one if I was in the market for that kind of car. It had good interior room, and was nicely put together... a far cry from some of the crappy Chevy vehicles (in particular their cars) I've seen in recent years.

The shame is that it's probably too little, too late.

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 05:47 PM

Saturn didn't lease, so it was out.

Did Saturn stop leasing completely or just for the model you were looking at?

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 08:31 PM

I think it was for the Sky only, not sure though. At the time Mazda had a killer lease special on the Miata, gave me satellite radio and a spoiler for free, and had it down from Raleigh 2 days after I came to the dealership. I traded my 06 MazdaSpeed 6, that car was absolutely jaw dropping for the money, but since I started commuting downtown instead of driving all over the place, it didn't make a lot of sense.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 10:44 AM

You do know that Ford owns Mazda right?

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 12:46 PM

I think it was for the Sky only, not sure though.

Makes sense....we leased one of their small sedans in 1999.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 12:51 PM

You do know that Ford owns Mazda right?


Yes. I also know that the Miata is an all Japanese design, and the car was built in Japan.

Like I said I had the MazdaSpeed 6, which used a Ford 2.3L motor with intercooled turbo and it was great. Ford is also recognized as being ahead of its other domestic competition.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 02:16 PM

GM vehicles are still garbage compared to the "foreign" stuff. They may look good, but they still eat up more gas and are cheap. Ford is probably the best right now of the "big 3" but they aren't even close to touching the reliability of Toyota/Nissan/Honda and still charge so much that a car like a Hyundai with that warranty makes more sense. They did it to themselves. American car makers crapped on us for many many years, not giving us the features we should have had earliar. Seatbelts were around a long time ago, as were things like anti-lock breaks etc (the Tucker car) but the big 3 kept giving us crap because that's all there was to buy for a long time.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 05:46 PM

Unions have been losing their powers for years. UAW is just the last one standing with any power.

#22 mmmbeans

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 07:05 PM

Unions have been losing their powers for years. UAW is just the last one standing with any power.


Unions have a lot of power in NY. It's an unholy pain in the ass.