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#25 pantherfan49

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 10:42 AM

If the Panthers upgrade the D-Line, the secondary becomes better overnight. The Panthers went to the SuperBowl with Terry Cousins and Reggie Howard as their starting CB's. The front 4 was so dominate that they were able to use JAG (just a guy) during the SuperBowl run.


Different era. At that time, you could rough the WRs up throughout their route. No more. You need corners in today's game.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 10:43 AM

I love how people think drafting a DT is going to immediately upgrade the position.. :lol:


I think we should spend two 3rd round picks on DTs and that should solidify the position moving forward.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:17 PM

I would rather not bring Connor back. We can get a linebacker in the draft for less money, and still be as productive as Connor been. At defensive tackle, I wouldn't be opposed to releasing Fua. Wasn't a big fan of his where we drafted him, and after seeing him get thrown around like a rag doll, he will only be taking up a roster spot on the team. Replace him with Shirley please. At corner, Brent Grimes should be available, but I could also see him going back to the Falcons. The same goes for Carlos Rogers. So we will have to draft a good corner in the draft, and luckily for us, this is a good draft for corners.



I think we have a better defense than most are saying. Our biggest liability was those two DTs. Teams was running amok with those guys in there. Now, we look respectable. We get Beason back, Edwards back, draft a corner, and we will be good to go.


Fair enough about Connor. Under normal circumstances I would completely agree with you, but we need to get a linebacker for somewhere and I would be hesitant to draft one considering our other pressing issues. With one healthy starting quality linebacker on the team, our FO will consider offering an extension to Connor.

I disagree about your assessment on the DT positon. You don't just cut Fua. DTs are one of the slowest developing positions due to the physical demands and in college them being able to manhandle players easier. In all honesty, Fua played better than McClain. McClain was supposed to be explosive and generate pressure. He really didn't and was next to pointless in the run game.

If we follow your thoughts, our starting LBs are TD/Senn, Beason, Anderson with Hardy, McClain, Edwards, Johnson on the DLine. Honestly, there are big question marks against TD, Senn, McClain and Edwards being starter quality. Add on top of that our MLB tore his achilles tendon this year and will not be running at 100% (from my knowledge this is a two year rehab to get complete strength back). I just don't think you can be confident about the defence with question marks about half of your front 7.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:19 PM

I think we should spend two 3rd round picks on DTs and that should solidify the position moving forward.


A bit like how we did this year?

DTs are almost impossible to predict due to their over reliance on their physical abilities in the college game. Some of the very best in the league were drafted late or not at all and the amount of busts in the early rounds is incredibly high.

I agree with building strength of depth through the draft, but we would have 4 players on the roster who would have less than a full year of football.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:25 PM

I don't think that the team is going to have any major overhauls on defense outside of the LBs. Beason, Davis, and Anderson I think will start. TD's knee is an obvious concern, but the 2nd tear came from coming back too early imo, while the injury this season he got rolled up on. From the way it sounds, he will be back (and at worst, as a back-up/vocal team leader). There is a pressing need at WLB. Senn I'd like to see kept on board for depth and special teams.

Captain is the Jordan Senn of the CBs imo. Plays well when asked to fill in, but is best on special teams and being rotated in.

I was all aboard the Morris Claiborne train, but if he is taken before the Panthers selection comes up, I'd like to see the team attempt to trade down in order to nab Zach Brown. If they can't trade, then taking Dre Kirkpatrick could work but I see him being next year's Patrick Peterson: CB in college and drafted to play it in the pros, but would more than likely play much better at S.

DE: CJ, Hardy, Applewhite, Keiser.
I'm good with that. I can't imagine why anyone else would want to waste a pick when the DEs have outplayed everybody else on the defense. All season long we've heard about DT being a problem, LBs decimated by injuries, and questionable secondary play. How often has their been concern about DE, aside from the bitching about CJ's contract and the occasional "Cut Hardy!!!" clowns that are really just trying to start trouble on the boards?

#2 CB, WLB (potential starter), MLB (depth), and S (depth) are the only real positions I'd like to see addressed.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:30 PM

Needs..

A stud DT
A standout CB



Could uses..


Health and consistency at linebacker.



It would be nice to..

Upgrade the over all speed of the defense.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:44 PM

Neither McClain fua or Edwards should be given jobs, they should have to compete with the guys we have now. All the complaining about fua being a rookie and needing to develop at the NT position, kearse is a rookie and playing it way better than he was

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:51 PM

we went the right direction with edwards. the answer to the DT problem isn't bringing in more youth. we have to get experience in there.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:52 PM

I am really hoping that Beason can come back from that injury but statistics are not in his favor to be 100% of the old Beason as much as I hate to admit it. Thomas Davis is also a huge question mark.
I think we go CB then LB but we may be picking to late to pick up a starting caliber CB. I am hoping with a season under there belt that our two rookie DT will come into there own next season.
I believe the secondary is the biggest need so the best play maker available for the secondary would be my first overall pick.


Actually most guys make a full recovery from achilles surgery with no drop off in ability level. On the other hand three ACL tears is another matter totally.

As for who we pick it will be based on who is available versus who wants our pick so we trade down if possible. It is too early to tell who we will pick up although defense is the consensus need.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:56 PM

Edwards is an old, warm body at best and i said that when he was signed. hell i said that before the injury.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 01:03 PM

Next season's defense will be the preferred troll topic...if it doesn't improve dramatically right off the bat next year expect plenty of "I thought Rivera knew how to field a defense" etc., etc. type posts......I'm sure a few will still try to troll it up with Cam, but he's effectively chopped that angle off at the neck this year. I'm grateful for that...way less ammo for the upcoming long off season.:)

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 01:31 PM

I think we should spend two 3rd round picks on DTs and that should solidify the position moving forward.


I would be good with that... only reason to draft a DT is for the future, 4 sophomore and rookie DT's with Ron Edwards + Shirley + Kearse sounds like a solid group for the future..