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After watching John Wall last night

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bottom line Wall is not going anywhere that he will not be able to be the Superstar....Whether this is Carolina, Duke, NCSU, Baylor, Kansas, or Kentucky. He wants to be the guy and doesn't want anybody change his style of play. Coach K and Roy Williams have said in and usually recruit "team" players first, and try to stay away from "star" players......There were reasons why neither team really went too hard on Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, etc......They just did not fit the "team" Player role like the others those teams had recruited.

What do Derrick Rose and Beasley have in common? No titles.

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bottom line Wall is not going anywhere that he will not be able to be the Superstar....Whether this is Carolina, Duke, NCSU, Baylor, Kansas, or Kentucky. He wants to be the guy and doesn't want anybody change his style of play. Coach K and Roy Williams have said in and usually recruit "team" players first, and try to stay away from "star" players......There were reasons why neither team really went too hard on Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, etc......They just did not fit the "team" Player role like the others those teams had recruited.

I mostly agree with that other than the fact that Wall is being portrayed as a "me first" type of player when he isn't. The fact that it is taking him longer to make his decision is giving him a bit of a bad wrap that isn't really deserved.

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bottom line Wall is not going anywhere that he will not be able to be the Superstar....Whether this is Carolina, Duke, NCSU, Baylor, Kansas, or Kentucky. He wants to be the guy and doesn't want anybody change his style of play. Coach K and Roy Williams have said in and usually recruit "team" players first, and try to stay away from "star" players......There were reasons why neither team really went too hard on Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, etc......They just did not fit the "team" Player role like the others those teams had recruited.

I mostly agree with that other than the fact that Wall is being portrayed as a "me first" type of player when he isn't. The fact that it is taking him longer to make his decision is giving him a bit of a bad wrap that isn't really deserved. And...Roy Williams didn't go after Rose because he had Ty Lawson and didn't go after Beasley because he had Hansbrough. Not to mention nobody really "went after" Beasley because he was just following around coaches that he knew...his recruitment never really opened up.

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I largely agree with that other than the fact that Wall is being portrayed as a "me first" type of player when he isn't. The fact that it is taking him longer to make his decision is giving him a bit of a bad wrap that isn't really deserved. And...Roy Williams didn't go after Rose because he had Ty Lawson and didn't go after Beasley because he had Hansbrough. Not to mention nobody really "went after" Beasley because he was just following around coaches that he knew...his recruitment never really opened up.

maybe I shouldn't have protrayed him as the "me" first player, because honestly I know nothing about the kid except from what I have read n here and just what I have been reading and the media is protraying him as this type of player which I think is coming more from his "Handlers."

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Really? After you trashed Coach K and Duke for taking an interest to him. You have really lost all credibility on here. If i didn't like someone to go to Duke i would say and not back down if they went there. Everything you say is poo. Not to mention you had to start your own thread to spew your poo. Why not post it in the John Wall thread like everyone else?

Hey, prick! I have an opinion and the right to express it...I don't attack you or anyone else on here. I'm not that thrilled about the Wall deal, but I also do not know all the issues regarding his handler (Clifton) and neither do you...What I do know is the kid can play and would be great leading the break in CH.

I trash K because he's an arrogant, selfish prick who obviously teaches his players to hack, smack, foul and assault. Do you need me to post pics to prove my point?

As for my credibility? HAHAHAHA! IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD, MORON!

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Link this please.

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Not everything has a link to a website my friend...

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Hey, prick! I have an opinion and the right to express it...I don't attack you or anyone else on here. I'm not that thrilled about the Wall deal, but I also do not know all the issues regarding his handler (Clifton) and neither do you...What I do know is the kid can play and would be great leading the break in CH.

I trash K because he's an arrogant, selfish prick who obviously teaches his players to hack, smack, foul and assault. Do you need me to post pics to prove my point?

As for my credibility? HAHAHAHA! IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD, MORON!

Just an FYI...you have the right to express it without personal attacks

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Htar is like this message board's little brother. I have come to peace with the fact that when he posts it is for humor sake now. I honestly dont think he trys to be a d*ck to anyone, but some of his posts just put him in a sticky situation. For example, this thread. I was the one who posted that some Carolina fans would be backtracking now that Roy got involved a couple weeks ago, credit to Htar he seemed to stay strong for a little while, but now with this post, it basically says "I don't care if John Wall comes with baggage or is a me-first player, I want him to be a Heel, because he is really good".

I really don't think you can argue with that assumption people have of you now, Htar. But the problem is you didnt have to make yourself look like that. John Wall IS a pretty good kid, he ISN'T a me-first player, you can like him and not feel bad about it. The problem came about when you, like other fans, immeaditly jumped all over Duke for recruiting him. You should have known it was only a matter of time before Carolina got involved, look back in history, Duke and Carolina constantly go after the same players. It is going on with Harrison Barnes right now as well. Duke has been all over that kid for awhile now, he has visited Duke twice on his own, but now Roy has put Roscoe Smith on hold and said Harrison is his top target for 2010.

This really goes back to the whole arguement that comes up with most fan bases when a recruit is considering their school the recruit is "good kid, great prospect, well respected, etc." when that recruit doesnt decide to go to their school he suddenly becomes "over-rated, me-first attitude, bad academics, etc."

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Well, like I said before, I don't think that either Roy or K are gonna go after any kid that they perceive to be a problem. In this case, it seems to be the "handler" that's the source of the problems anyway.

Either way, I sure as hell won't be complaining if Wall comes to UNC.

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Of course, it's a desperate act by Coach K if he recruits Wall, but great work by Roy if Wall chooses Carolina.

Whatever.

Thank you...Tar Heels fans = joke

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I don't know if Wall is going to Carolina or not, and frankly, I really don't care. However, I do think Lawson's decision can very well have a huge impact on what Wall does...assuming Wall is legitimately considering UNC. One thing that has been made clear is that Wall only wants one year of college before jumping to the NBA, thus, it goes without saying that he wants to go to a situation in which he can start and show scouts why they should draft him.

But if Lawson stays, that would almost certainly relegate Wall to backup status, or at best, to playing out of position. Not to mention that after his performance in the tournement, all eyes will be on Lawson, Wall would be secondary. That's not to say that if Lawson stays, Wall would become an afterthought, he would certainly still get a lot of minutes, but the perception of him as a reserve (particularly behind a PG that is borderline lottery) could hurt his draft stock...and that's something I don't think Wall wants to chance.

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