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From a passing standpoint, of course you wouldn't factor in rushing TD's.. Have to keep in mind that his ability to run the ball in close proximety to the endzone influenced the red-zone play calling though. That probably took some passing TD opportunities away from Cam just like they took rushing TD opprtunities away from Double Trouble. Also, it's pretty hard to ignore a NFL record for rushing TD's in a season for a QB when you are talking about the ability level of a QB.

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i did. about 4-5 of his last games. He cannot throw the ball like Cam. Slant/Fade routes with an occasional streak or long throws. I have never seen him throw it like Cam does. Again doesnt Cam lead NFL in completed passes over 20 yards?

He may have lead the league in number of passes that travelled 21+ yards. He was above Rodgers, Brady, Rivers from a quick check but it's possible Romo or someone else was further up, but I doubt it. But really, I don't see what that means (for instance, Dalton threw more passes in the 31-40 yard range, and only 1 less pass in the 31-41+ range). Vertical offense = 11+ yards, which is why most of our passes travelled that far, yet we still had a huge number of passes around the line of scrimmage. For instance, Cam also threw more passes than Rodgers, Brady, Rivers behind the line of scrimmage and only a few less than Dalton (but if you adjust for % of throw, Dalton probably would go up quite a bit). Dalton also completed a higher percentage of his 11-20, 21-30, and 31-40 yard throws than Cam.

What's all that mean? Meh.

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That's why I may be willing to buy that Dalton is a better pure passer(and fwiw, not totally sold on this), but that doesn't make him a better quarterback at all. There is more than just passing the ball involved with being a quarterback, and Cam is far from deficient as far as his abilities int hat area go. He still has things to work on, but EVERY quarterback does.

How is he a better pure passer. When people think pure passer they think passer rating. Newton's is 5 points higher. Completion percentage even though Dalton played in a WCO with shorter easier passes was higher for Newton than Dalton. Newton's YPA was well over a yard better. First downs as a percentage of attempts was higher. More 20 yard passes, etc.

How in the world is he a better pure passer??

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You should watch more of his passes then.

As a NFL Game Rewind subscriber, I have. Cam and Dalton are in different classes, particularly when it comes to "bucket" throws, where the ball has to drop in between two defenders. It's not that Dalton is inaccurate on these kinds of throws: he actually has no clue how to make them. He usually overthrows his target and forces them to leap for it when the ball is supposed drop into their basket, and if they don't get a handle on the pass it may end up picked. Cam, on the other hand, hits them with regularity (see vs. Washington, the pass thrown to LaFell the play before he ran in the TD.)

Dalton's specialties are slants and crossing routes. He displays great touch on passes within a horizontal window, and is more than adequate on downfield throws as long as he is not under pressure.

Cam, on the other hand, can make any throw, at any time, under any pressure, as long as he at least attempts to properly set his feet, and even sometimes when he doesn't. I'm not saying he always makes them, but he has shown the ability repeatedly to make passes that are far beyond the norm for any rookie passer, or anything Dalton has dreamed of attempting (a perfect example would be the 20-yard throw he made, on the run, with both feet off the ground at his release, to Steve Smith to move the chains against Houston despite heavy pressure from a free blitzer.)

You frankly have no fugging clue what you're talking about when it comes to either one, and basically rely on a couple of stats and rankings that you think say things they really don't say because you literally have no idea what actually happens in a football game and are only here because nobody loves you and you feel a desperate need for attention.

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that reminds me i need to re-up my game rewind subscription. actual work on one monitor and more football than i could ever want on the other goes a long way.

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I remember after mid-season I watched the Bengals/Ravens game from start to finish. During the broadcast, they showed a stat that the Bengals had only scored after a drive of more than 80 yards two times. I don't know how many more they completed in the following 6 weeks, but it probably was not a bunch. On the other hand, we had many, many drives of 80 plus yards leading to a score.

So when some try to minimize the significance of Cam's 1 yard or 2 yard touchdown runs, just remember that he did much more work as a QB to even get there in the first place than a player like Dalton.

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He may have lead the league in number of passes that travelled 21+ yards. He was above Rodgers, Brady, Rivers from a quick check but it's possible Romo or someone else was further up, but I doubt it. But really, I don't see what that means (for instance, Dalton threw more passes in the 31-40 yard range, and only 1 less pass in the 31-41+ range). Vertical offense = 11+ yards, which is why most of our passes travelled that far, yet we still had a huge number of passes around the line of scrimmage. For instance, Cam also threw more passes than Rodgers, Brady, Rivers behind the line of scrimmage and only a few less than Dalton (but if you adjust for % of throw, Dalton probably would go up quite a bit). Dalton also completed a higher percentage of his 11-20, 21-30, and 31-40 yard throws than Cam.

What's all that mean? Meh.

Percentage of passes without context such as how many passes were attempted can provide very skewed results. For example is you attempt 1 pass of over 40 yards and complete it you are 100%. If you attempt 100 and complete 50 of them, which one is better??

What are the actual numbers?

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How is he a better pure passer. When people think pure passer they think passer rating. Newton's is 5 points higher. Completion percentage even though Dalton played in a WCO with shorter easier passes was higher for Newton than Dalton. Newton's YPA was well over a yard better. First downs as a percentage of attempts was higher. More 20 yard passes, etc.

How in the world is he a better pure passer??

Matt Moore is a better passer than Cam Newton?

Is that what you're saying?

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Matt Moore is a better passer than Cam Newton?

Is that what you're saying?

a five year vet playing better than a rookie?

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Undrafted scrub on his 3rd team in 5 years who only leads teams to #1 picks and "poos the bed" when pressure is on is a better passer than Gods Gift to football, #1 overall pick, Heisman trophy winning, two time national champion, best tasting dick in the south, best pure passer coming out of college ever, top 5 elite QB already, superhuman athlete that is Cameron Newton?

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Undrafted scrub on his 3rd team in 5 years who only leads teams to #1 picks and "poos the bed" when pressure is on is a better passer than Gods Gift to football, #1 overall pick, Heisman trophy winning, two time national champion, best tasting dick in the south, best pure passer coming out of college ever, top 5 elite QB already, superhuman athlete that is Cameron Newton?

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Undrafted scrub on his 3rd team in 5 years who only leads teams to #1 picks and "poos the bed" when pressure is on is a better passer than Gods Gift to football, #1 overall pick, Heisman trophy winning, two time national champion, best tasting dick in the south, best pure passer coming out of college ever, top 5 elite QB already, superhuman athlete that is Cameron Newton?
Why are you asking the Huddle? You've got the 411 on the real deal, you tell us....

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