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I really need to make an effort post about the bucs

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They said this last year and the result was Punter/Kick off specialist Michael Koenen becoming their highest paid player.

The Bucs are basically saying they tanked 2011 free agent wise after a 10-6 finish in 2010 so they could.....sign free agents this year?

Reminder that sources within the Bucs organization (and nowhere else) reported that the team actually outbid the redskins for albert haynesworth but he took less money to play for a proven winner.

Basically what I'm saying is the Bucs are lying.

Maybe they will be the "dream team" of 2012 like Philly was last year, ha ha.

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So let me get this "rollover" cap space thing clarified....if a team was under the cap by any amount for 2011, they can "rollover" that amount and add it to the cap limit this year? So the Bucs have 60.5 million, 23.5 million of which comes from undershooting the cap in 2011? Meaning they are projected to be actually only 36.5 million under the 2012 cap?

allow me to answer your question with an amazing effort post from another forum about the Skins, who are in a similar situation.

God, fug ESPN. So yes, this is true, and matches up to my numbers (13.7 million in 2011 cap space plus 34 million in 2012 cap space)

As they only have about $4 million in dead money, it would be tremendously irresponsible to go more than about $8 million over the cap (i.e. use more than half of their 2011 cap carryover). Please see my post on the Dolphins about this.

If the Skins spent it all, not only would the team come into the following season $20+ million over the cap, but they'd have to start cutting guys, which would create dead money that'd be on the books for the next two years. And over those years, they'd have the salary floor to deal with, forcing them to hand out new signing bonuses to meet the cash floor. Which would, in turn, lead to even more dead money if they had to cut those players.

Basically, teams can only afford to spend as much of their credit as they have dead money on the books in 2012, since most/all of that money will disappear in 2013.

But also yeah, the Redskins already had $34 million, which is fuging plenty to spend on whatever they want.

Edit: Also, a team can still only have 53 guys, and you're limited to who's available in free agency this year. I guess you could sign every upgrade free agent, trade every draft pick, and overspend to leverage your next 5-6 years for one "ringer" year, but winning a Super Bowl takes as much luck as it does skill. Look at how bad the Eagles "Dream Team" backlash was--could you imagine if this hypothetical superteam lost in the playoffs or worse, missed them?

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Now that makes sense....a double edged sword. No way the Bucs could make a 2012 run with that money considering it would basically cripple them moving forward from 2012.

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Now that makes sense....a double edged sword. No way the Bucs could make a 2012 run with that money considering it would basically cripple them moving forward from 2012.

on one hand they're terribly run enough to try to pull that off.

On the other, spending money...

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Tampa Bay has never been a big spender but may be forced to do so. They probably thought that they could get buy on the cheap especially after they had a 10-6 year in 2010. Then things blew up, they turned over the staff and lost the fanbase. Now they have to do what Richardson did last year which was spend a ton of money convincing fans they are serious about trying to contend and win the division. Otherwise they face continued blackouts. So they might be serious about spending big time, not because they want to but because they have no choice.

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except the Panthers spent 90% of their money retaining their own players, the same ones that had been there for 2010.

The Bucs don't have to spend any money at all since the floor doesn't kick in until 2012.

they'll probably narrowly miss (read: not try to sign) all the big name free agents and end up overpaying for like Curtis Lofton.

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Basically what I'm saying is no one came back to the Panthers last year because they resigned everyone, or they got Shockey in free agency.

They came back because of CAMMY CAM

It was really useful for Richardson that Cam blew up in week one.

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Well, assembling all those high-priced FA's certainly worked out well for the Eagles...

I have a hard time believing the Bucs are actually going to spend any of that money, but I hope they do so it can turn into an even bigger dumpster fire down there then it already is.

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It was really useful for Richardson that Cam blew up in week one.

I expect that we'll see the effects of that unforeseen development this off-season. Free agents that wouldn't ever consider the Panthers in the past might be drawn into the Cam Vortex, and re-structuring some deals might come a little easier...its a new wrinkle...

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Where the Bucs fall into Cam's plans:

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Preview of Tampa's 2012 season:

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except the Panthers spent 90% of their money retaining their own players, the same ones that had been there for 2010.

The Bucs don't have to spend any money at all since the floor doesn't kick in until 2012.

they'll probably narrowly miss (read: not try to sign) all the big name free agents and end up overpaying for like Curtis Lofton.

Whether you spend your money retaining your own guys who are coming up for free agency or buying someone else's players the net effect is the same. Guys like Charles Johnson were considered one of the best free agents out there much like Mario Wlliams is this year.

Tampa doesn't have to spend any money but they are likely to do so anyway because they need to re-energize the fanbase and show the new coaching staff that they are willing to give them the ammunition they need to contend.

Could they go on the cheap again? Absolutely their history says they will. But if they want to fill the seats, they are going to have to loosen the pursestrings plain and simple. Will they get what they paid for? Most teams rarely do.

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