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#1 jramsey4

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:48 PM

After the combine I am more convinced we need to trade back. Really the value (value to me means elite player at a position of need in the top 10) at 9 for us will just not be there (Decastro maybe). A team might be willing to trade up to get Tannerhill or Richardson. If we can get even a 3rd we should do it (as there are a ton of guys in the 3rd I like) maybe we can squeak out a 2nd even. Most of this Mock will seem the same as my pre-combine mock aside from the top.

Mock Offseason:

Resign Hangman
Resign Anderson
Release Clausen
Restructure Wharton
Restructure Davis
Im probably forgetting some scrubs like Kiesser and Applewhite that need resigning as they are cheap.

Free Agent

Jason Jones UT – Titans

I only want one mid-level free agent guy and that one guy is Jones and its looking like he will be available. The man is a straight up beast in the interior (watch the link below and remember that was when he was a rookie). The Titans last year needed more pass rush on the outside at DE and switched him and are still wanting that which is why he is walking. This is a mistake his ideal position just so happens to be our biggest need UT. He is one of the best interior pass rushers in the league and we are in desperate need of one. Since he had a down year (once again playing out of position) he should come at within our price range even when our cap space is so thin. Just having consistent interior pressure could completely change our D. That with some draft Talent and getting back Beason and maybe even Davis and this D could be special with RR on the job, Thats why my draft is has 4 O players. Once you shore up NT and then #2 CB in the 2nd this D is going to be nasty.

http://www.nfl.com/v...yer-of-the-Week

Draft:

1st Pick: Dontai Poe NT

In this mock I am assuming we traded back into the mid-teens and picked up a 3rd and 4th. With the signing of Jones the next biggest position of need is a run stuffer and Poe is as good as they come at that. Not only is he a massive (6'4 350 lbs) he is extremely strong (44 reps) and ran a sub 5 40. He is extremely athletic and has a strong work ethic. His lack of domination against lower level competition is worrying but the guy has a ton of potential and could contribute in run D right away (which we are in need of as well). Obviously if Decastro is still here I would probably still draft him but for the sake of not repeating myself Poe is another guy I like.



2nd Round: Trumaine Johnson CB

As I said in the last mock 6'2 205 lbs Trumaine Johnson is my Fav CB prospect in this draft which is why I doubt he would be there in the 3rd. He is a converted receiver and thus has tremendous ball skills and at his size he can fight for the ball. He has excellent potential in both man and zone (however he is very inexperienced in zone) and hes big enough to cover just about any receiver. Doesn't have elite speed (4.50) but can keep up with all but the fastest receivers. He plays with physicality in the run game but to often goes for the big play instead of wrapping up. Johnson has the potential to be one of the best DB's in this draft.



3rd Round: Senio Kelemete G

Kelmete is a nice consolation prize for missing out on Decastro. He played LT for Washington the last 2 years but he was recruited as a DT (played there in 08) before switching to guard in 09. Thats where he'll line up in the pros because at 6'3” I doubt to many teams want him at T. Lining up on both sides of the line I think is extremely valuable experience and the ability to make the change quickly makes me think he can get up to NFL speed quickly. He has the potential to be all-pro if he gets with a solid coaching staff (which I believe we have) he could be special as he is extremely athletic. I could see him being a staple on our line for the next decade. Bring back Hangman with a 1 yr deal give him a year of exp (if needed) and then if you think hes ready let him walk.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:49 PM

4th Round: TY Hilton WR

Hilton is one of those prospects you wonder why there is no hype about them. The kid is a straight up game-changer. As a freshman he had 41 rec 1,013 yards and 7 td receiving, 36 returns for 843 yards and 1 TD at kick return, and 18 ret 266 yards and 1 td at punt return. He was bothered by nagging injuries as a sophomore but still led the team in receiving (57-632-5) and kickoff returns (22-633-1), then returned to form strong enough to be named Sun Belt Player of the Year for his play in 2010 (59-848-5 rec, 30-282-4 rush, 29-833-2 KR, 20-126 PR), helping FIU win its first Sun Belt title. This year he had another strong year (71-1038-7 rec, 18-548-0 KR, 8-186-1). He has outstanding hands and YAC ability as well as being a hell of a good return man. He is undersized (5-10 190) but that stereotype should long be dead. He has excellent speed and a very good work ethic. In short a solid eventual replacement for Smith.



4th Round 2nd Pick: Keenan Robinson OLB

Robinson is 6'3 240 lbs and is an excellent fit at Weakside LB (in other words TD insurance). He plays nasty and that will result in the occasional penalty but to me thats a good thing not a bad one (I like my LB to lay the wood on players and make O players fear them). He has excellent sideline to sideline speed and is a solid tackler. He is also solid in pass coverage but he was never asked to pass rush often so is raw in that regard. All in all he is well rounded WLB that has the potential to develop into a great player. Why he is projected to go in the 5th is beyond me.



5th round: Tauren Poole RB

I don't see Stewart being a Panther in 13'. Personally I would have let Dwill walk and gave the new deal to Stewart this year but now that we already overpaid for one RB I don't see us giving a big deal to Stewart. If someone offered my a 2nd at this point I'd take it but in either case we need to start looking for his replacement. Poole I think could be that guy. He's 5'10 205 and didn't time well for that size (4.54) but he's got football speed. His acceleration through the hole is one of his best attributes that along with tremendous field vision. He also is solid in pass blocking (Stewarts a beast here) I'd like to see him pack on about 10 lbs of muscle but that should be easy by next season.



6th Round: Ryan Miller T

When we get to the 6th- UDFA I look more at athleticism then anything. Guys this late that rely more on high motors and not much athleticism usually become backups. I would rather swing for the fence and take a chance on a great player and I believe both Miller and Conrath could become that. Miller is one you don't see every day a 6'7 guard. Theres a reason he is rated this low guys this tall don't have the leverage needed to go up against DT's (ditto for Conrath on the opposite side of the ball). He is best suited at T and would be excellent insurance for Otah. I like Bell as depth but he is not starter material we need a guy with a high ceiling for the future in case Otah can't stay healthy making this his last season in black and blue. Miller is that and he projects best as a RT.

7th Round: Matt Conrath DE

Conrath played out of position his entire career at Va. Lining him up at UT at 6'7” 280 makes you wonder what there smoking. He is ideally suited for strong-side DE in our scheme (or 5 tech in a 3-4). He is excellent against the run but considering he lined up at DT his whole career its hard to project how he will be at pass rushing coming off the edge. He has outstanding athleticism for a man of his size and has long arms to boot. Also one added bonus he is terrific at blocking Fgs. I see him as a RE on running downs and occasionally kick him inside on pass downs with Hardy at DE (as well as rotation with Johnson and Conrath on run downs. Reminds me a lot of Calais Campbell.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:50 PM

UDFA:

Darron Thomas QB

I know some wont agree with me but Thomas reminds me so much of a poor mans Cam. He is no where near the athlete or the physical stature (he's 6'3 220) as Cam but the two have similar skill sets. Thomas has a pretty good arm and can make any throw. He also has pretty good touch and at times has unreal ball placement (similar to Cam at Auburn). He has the athletic ability to come in if Cam was to have to come out and not have to alter the playcalling much.



Evan Rodriguez FB/HB/TE

Rodriguez is one of those guys that would be classified as a tweener. At 6'2 237 he is on the small side to be an everydown TE but he can line up all over the O. At H-back, in line TE, split our wide, or even as a lead blocker (hell in a pinch could probably be a RB). He's a solid catcher, runs good routes, and is a great blocker. His versatility is off the charts and thats why if he goes undrafted no question would I pick him up. Chud will find ways of getting this guy involved in the O.



Shawn Powell P

We need a Punter and I believe Powell is it. He led the nation's with a 47.0 yard average. He lead the nation in net punting as well. Powell has dropped 43-percent of his kicks inside the opponents' 20. He changed the game against Florida with booming punts the led to FSU's defense being in great field position to thwart the Gators offense.

Randy Bullock K

Bullock, 5'10 205, won the Lou Groza Award as college football's top kicker last season. He made 25 of 28 field goals, including a 52-yarder vs. Texas. He also handled KO with 33% TB and a 65 yard avg. Competition for Mare.

Edited by jramsey4, 02 March 2012 - 07:52 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 08:07 PM

Would be happy with this draft. It want to target Jason Jones as a FA as well. Went to the Titans game and he stood out physically. He can play both the DE and the DT.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 08:45 PM

I would love Jones in FA, but if we get him I would stay away from DT in the draft. We are gonna keep Fua, McClain and probably Edwards on the roster for sure. I think Neblett, who was only a second year player, might be better than either Fua or McClain, so I would hate to see him go and there is no way we keep 6 DTs.

If we get DT in FA, I would go best OL, CB or LB in the first

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:45 PM

Good job man. Love the highlights and the picks make sense. You also explain the picks better than me or most that do these mocks. If and this is a big IF we could trade down into the 20's and gain a 3rd and another 4th i think alot of us could come up with a pretty good mock as well. Also as i told another guy to think Poe is gonna last out of the top 15 is wishful.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 09:13 AM

Good job man. Love the highlights and the picks make sense. You also explain the picks better than me or most that do these mocks. If and this is a big IF we could trade down into the 20's and gain a 3rd and another 4th i think alot of us could come up with a pretty good mock as well. Also as i told another guy to think Poe is gonna last out of the top 15 is wishful.


Thanks. Actually I checked the Draft Value chart and the Eagles 15 and there 3rd and 4th are about even for our 9th. Anything later then that the other team gets way more value. Poe will probably go in the 15-20 range if not Decastro might still be there. Either way I don't want to stay at 9 unless we have no choice.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:40 AM

JR, I would be so pissed with this draft--not kidding. But I appreciate the fact that you put it out there with detailed explanations. I try to keep an open mind, and this helps reconsider players that I had written off. Good stuff.

Here is why I do not like Poe. The combine was a freak show--very impressive. However, I am guessing he had that same ability during the fall, when he was playing at Memphis. He was second team all-conference. Not all-america, not All-SEC, I am talking All-Conf USA. His numbers there were average. Yes, he was double teamed, but so were Still. Cox, and Brockers. He had a rep for laziness. I am not sold on him. Remember too, that something like 38% of DTs taken in the first round succeed in the NFL. I see Poe getting abused my NFL guards.

Edited by MHS831, 03 March 2012 - 11:43 AM.


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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:52 AM

Do not see us signing another vet DT and drafting one high.

We will only keep 4 dt's. Rivera has continuously paraised Fua, McClain, Neblett, and Shirley for what they were able to do with:

1. No OTA's
2. No vet at DT (having to carry the full load)
3. All the other injuries on defense
4. Brand new system

I think that Poe, Brockers, Still, etc are a likely upgrade to Fua/McClain. But, after spending two 3rd round picks, they are NOT likely to scrap them (especially since it typically takes a season or two for DT's to develop).

Remember the likes of Tony Brown, who we cut when he was in his first years. He has gone on to be a very good DT.

Signing another high pick rookie at DT will NOT help this team next year. I have a feeling (not fact) that we have 75% chance of NOT taking DT in the first or second round.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:06 PM

JR, I would be so pissed with this draft--not kidding. But I appreciate the fact that you put it out there with detailed explanations. I try to keep an open mind, and this helps reconsider players that I had written off. Good stuff.

Here is why I do not like Poe. The combine was a freak show--very impressive. However, I am guessing he had that same ability during the fall, when he was playing at Memphis. He was second team all-conference. Not all-america, not All-SEC, I am talking All-Conf USA. His numbers there were average. Yes, he was double teamed, but so were Still. Cox, and Brockers. He had a rep for laziness. I am not sold on him. Remember too, that something like 38% of DTs taken in the first round succeed in the NFL. I see Poe getting abused my NFL guards.


Do not see us signing another vet DT and drafting one high.

We will only keep 4 dt's. Rivera has continuously paraised Fua, McClain, Neblett, and Shirley for what they were able to do with:

1. No OTA's
2. No vet at DT (having to carry the full load)
3. All the other injuries on defense
4. Brand new system

I think that Poe, Brockers, Still, etc are a likely upgrade to Fua/McClain. But, after spending two 3rd round picks, they are NOT likely to scrap them (especially since it typically takes a season or two for DT's to develop).

Remember the likes of Tony Brown, who we cut when he was in his first years. He has gone on to be a very good DT.

Signing another high pick rookie at DT will NOT help this team next year. I have a feeling (not fact) that we have 75% chance of NOT taking DT in the first or second round.


First of all I would take Decastro over Poe but I did that my first mock (wheres the fun with repeating myself). Second Fua and Mcclain are not going anywhere I agree I think we would go into the season with 5 DT (Jones, Poe, Mcclain, Fua, and Neblett). Third our DT are average at best if you have the opportunity to upgrade such a critical piece of D you do it. Fourth we have to agree to disagree on Poe. I actually liked him pre-combine but he probably did up his stock 10 picks (he was always going to be a late 1st). Isn't that the main reason everybody was hyping Brockers because he was extremely athletic with a lot of upside. Poe to me has Ngata upside and you don't get into his shape (and put up 44 reps) by being lazy.

We have two gapping holes on our D (along with a medium need at #2 CB). A UT that can bring interior pressure and a big bodied run stuffer I addressed both.

Edited by jramsey4, 03 March 2012 - 12:15 PM.


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Posted 03 March 2012 - 02:47 PM

nobody lazy can put up 225 44 times.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 05:53 PM

nobody lazy can put up 225 44 times.


I agree. How does a 350 lb DT who is that athletic NOT make first team all conference in Conf USA? Were there 2 DTs there who performed better? To me, I fear the WORKOUT WARRIOR tag.
Lazy is referring to his motor. He has the rumor going around that he took plays off.
I am just down on drafting a DT--so I am biased. He could be great.

Edited by MHS831, 03 March 2012 - 06:04 PM.


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Posted 03 March 2012 - 06:02 PM

JR--the reason I do not see taking Poe or any DT in the first has a lot to do with what Hatter said--the DT play improved, and I think it is too early to bring in another DT.

I see LB CB, and DE as our biggest needs. While the DTs could be improved, they are improving. Thomas Davis is probably done, and if not, he might need upgrading. Beason's injury is a nasty one that usually has a 2-year recovery period--if successful. Finally, I do not like the collection of DEs we have, but I like the potential. Keiser and Hardy are on the cusp. CJ is good for 10 sacks and plays the run well. I just dont get the philosophy at DE with Applewhite and Tucker being added. I would like 2 studs and 2 with potential. Not 1 stud, 2 w/ potential, and 2 34 OLBs. Just me.

I see your points. There are just so many unknowns and different ways to go.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 06:40 PM

I agree. How does a 350 lb DT who is that athletic NOT make first team all conference in Conf USA? Were there 2 DTs there who performed better? To me, I fear the WORKOUT WARRIOR tag.
Lazy is referring to his motor. He has the rumor going around that he took plays off.
I am just down on drafting a DT--so I am biased. He could be great.


Memphis strength and conditioning coach said he was a workout warrior and that if he wasnt playing ball that he would be in the world strongest man comp(seen it on tv). but him taking plays off could be because he was on the field so much. have to remember that there was no talent there around him and he faced doubles every game.

i want whoever the best DL is on the board, unless Morris falls.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:57 PM

Memphis strength and conditioning coach said he was a workout warrior and that if he wasnt playing ball that he would be in the world strongest man comp(seen it on tv). but him taking plays off could be because he was on the field so much. have to remember that there was no talent there around him and he faced doubles every game.

i want whoever the best DL is on the board, unless Morris falls.


To be honest, my opinion changes about every day. I read something else, hear this or that....I usually know. Not this season. I want Morris, Coples,then who knows--it changes.


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