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Defensive Linemen Taken in the 1st Round of the NFL Draft over past two years

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So there seems to be this delusional myth by this certain segment of awkward people whom are overly obsessed with the term "BPA."
They seem to think, contrary to the evidence, that a DT takes 9 years to finally be able to contribute to a team. So I figured I'd post this here, and every time they say something to you like that in the future, you can point your finger and laugh and stuff.


[I]Disclaimer[/I]: Frankly, I wanted to do a five year span, but began to wonder why I'm even bothering argue what is so apparent to everyone else, so this will have to do for now.


[B][U]2011[/U][/B]
Marcel Dareus
Aldon Smith
JJ Watt
Nick Fairley
Robert Quinn
Ryan Kerrigan
Cory Liuget
Adrian Clayborn
Phil Taylor
Cameron Jordan
Muhammad Wilkerson
Cameron Heyward

That's 12 linemen out of 32 picks (or perhaps 31, since the Ravens were skipped)

12 Defensive linemen. Literally all of which saw immediate success in their first year. You may be wondering how many LB's were taken in the first round of last year's draft. One. The answer to that, is one. Let's keep moving.


[B][U]2010[/U][/B]

Ndamukong Suh
Gerald McCoy
Tyson Alualu
Jason Pierre Paul
Derrick Morgan
Jared Odrick
Jerry Hughes

That's 7 there. There were 2 LB's taken in that round, and once again, the defensive linemen had a very high success rate and most all performed well their first season. I know someone will make the stupid argument [I]but but but there isn't a Suh in this draft[/I] so let me stick this in before someone who thinks their witty comes in, jots it down, and then runs off back to the Lounge to show us more pictures of their cat.

There isn't a Calvin Johnson in this class either. That isn't going to keep a team in the top 10 from taking Justin Blackmon. There isn't a Jake Long in this class either, that isn't going to stop some team from taking Matt Kalil. There isn't an Ndamukong Suh in this class, but it isn't going to stop some defense needy team from taking a nice DT prospect. So take that argument, poop it out, so it can go to New Orleans with the rest of the feces.


[B]Good Defensive Linemen can contribute immediately. [/B]

If the guys in the NFL offices feel there are good DLmen (which they obviously do..no e-nerd screaming [I]zomg but he isn't Suh [/I] is going to sway the opinion of a fanbase who saw what the entire world saw last year-that our DT's arent good. (:eek6:)

[I]Edit: For those who may be curious, the 2007 and 2009 drafts were also good for DLmen. '08 was poor but also saw like only four guys taken, so what does that tell you? I won't be bothered to write all it down...this is where you must became and man and type "Google" into your browser all by your lonesome.[/I]
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Yeah and we still need a CB, OLB, WR, S and a new kicker lol

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Difference between saying Carolina should go BPA and BPA on D. They should go BPA on D.

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A lot of those players did not play well... in addition you are basing their ability on one year...

Regardless, I don't think this team is going to gamble in 'picking the final piece of the puzzle' and ignore the chance to get a position of need. So what if someone doesn't perform right out the bat, a lot of rookies don't. I have a sneaky suspicion that if we pick a DT then they will be supplemented by veterans.

For the record I think the main issue for picking DLine is that the majority of these players are physically superior to their college opponents and therefore appear more dominating than they actually are. Also, with the increased popularity and desire for media limelight, more young players aren't interested in discipline and would much rather go for the highlight play.

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i remember watching the draft with a jags fan when they picked alualu. he was so pissed lmao

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Also, no need to lump the DEs in this if you are talking DTs primarily...DE is somewhere right after QB in terms of sought after studs

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[quote name='Urrymonster']A lot of those players did not play well... in addition you are basing their ability on one year...[/QUOTE]

There is literally like two or three players on that list who either were behind talented starters or were actually just not good. Of course I'm basing it off one year, that's the point.

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Regardless, I don't think this team is going to gamble in 'picking the final piece of the puzzle' and ignore the chance to get a position of need. So what if someone doesn't perform right out the bat, a lot of rookies don't. I have a sneaky suspicion that if we pick a DT then they will be supplemented by veterans.[/QUOTE]

This literally makes no sense. DT is the biggest need, and you make no mention of just what "veterans" you plan on replacing them. Edwards? lol Is that it?

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For the record I think the main issue for picking DLine is that the majority of these players are physically superior to their college opponents and therefore appear more dominating than they actually are
Also, with the increased popularity and desire for media limelight, more young players aren't interested in discipline and would much rather go for the highlight play.[/QUOTE]

Cool theory we should talk world politics sometime over some Cappa Joe's.

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[quote name='CRA']Also, no need to lump the DEs in this if you are talking DTs primarily...DE is somewhere right after QB in terms of sought after studs[/QUOTE]

And here's the part where CRA is like "Pftt DTs? Those aren't even important! Everyone knows linebackers are where it's at!"

Then I'm just like...yeeeahhh, we're done here

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If Beason isnt the same guy...LB will be the biggest need. We won't have anything and LBs are the key in the scheme

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[quote name='CRA']If Beason isnt the same guy...LB will be the biggest need. We won't have anything and LBs are the key in the scheme[/QUOTE]

Except LB success is directly correlated to DT success. Perhaps you missed this entire season?

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so what is the point here, calling out a certain few that seem to think we have a bigger need at LB than DT? or that the DT position is either learned in the 1st year or bust?

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[quote name='bleys']so what is the point here, distinguishing that DT is more important than LB? or that the DT position is either learned in the 1st year or bust?[/QUOTE]

DT is more important, DT can be played well in a player's first season, and while that last thing you said has no relevance to this thread, it sure looks that way at least on the surface, though I'd have to do some more digging.

If a DT is good his first year, chances are he will be a good player. If he isn't, the chances of him turning it around seem slim. That [I]appears[/I] to be the trend.

Which obviously doesn't bode well for the whole "Sione Fua will be a magical Samoan powerhouse next season" theory.

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[quote name='CRA']If Beason isnt the same guy...LB will be the biggest need. We won't have anything and LBs are the key in the scheme[/QUOTE]

If Beason comes back at even 80%, and we have no reason whatsoever to believe he won't, we will have drafted a SLB top ten.

Maybe we can go Punter in the second.

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I hope you realize that these awkward people you speak of don't actually make the draft selections for the Panthers. So you really don't need to worry that people who aren't as enlightened as you have an alternative opinion.

If the draft was directed by popular vote then you could be really concerned though.

[quote name='Cat'sGrowl']So there seems to be this delusional myth by this certain segment of awkward people whom are overly obsessed with the term "BPA."
They seem to think, contrary to the evidence, that a DT takes 9 years to finally be able to contribute to a team. So I figured I'd post this here, and every time they say something to you like that in the future, you can point your finger and laugh and stuff.


[I]Disclaimer[/I]: Frankly, I wanted to do a five year span, but began to wonder why I'm even bothering argue what is so apparent to everyone else, so this will have to do for now.


[B][U]2011[/U][/B]
Marcel Dareus
Aldon Smith
JJ Watt
Nick Fairley
Robert Quinn
Ryan Kerrigan
Cory Liuget
Adrian Clayborn
Phil Taylor
Cameron Jordan
Muhammad Wilkerson
Cameron Heyward

That's 12 linemen out of 32 picks (or perhaps 31, since the Ravens were skipped)

12 Defensive linemen. Literally all of which saw immediate success in their first year. You may be wondering how many LB's were taken in the first round of last year's draft. One. The answer to that, is one. Let's keep moving.


[B][U]2010[/U][/B]

Ndamukong Suh
Gerald McCoy
Tyson Alualu
Jason Pierre Paul
Derrick Morgan
Jared Odrick
Jerry Hughes

That's 7 there. There were 2 LB's taken in that round, and once again, the defensive linemen had a very high success rate and most all performed well their first season. I know someone will make the stupid argument [I]but but but there isn't a Suh in this draft[/I] so let me stick this in before someone who thinks their witty comes in, jots it down, and then runs off back to the Lounge to show us more pictures of their cat.

There isn't a Calvin Johnson in this class either. That isn't going to keep a team in the top 10 from taking Justin Blackmon. There isn't a Jake Long in this class either, that isn't going to stop some team from taking Matt Kalil. There isn't an Ndamukong Suh in this class, but it isn't going to stop some defense needy team from taking a nice DT prospect. So take that argument, poop it out, so it can go to New Orleans with the rest of the feces.


[B]Good Defensive Linemen can contribute immediately. [/B]

If the guys in the NFL offices feel there are good DLmen (which they obviously do..no e-nerd screaming [I]zomg but he isn't Suh [/I] is going to sway the opinion of a fanbase who saw what the entire world saw last year-that our DT's arent good. (:eek6:)

[I]Edit: For those who may be curious, the 2007 and 2009 drafts were also good for DLmen. '08 was poor but also saw like only four guys taken, so what does that tell you? I won't be bothered to write all it down...this is where you must became and man and type "Google" into your browser all by your lonesome.[/I][/QUOTE]

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So, no matter what players are available, we take a DT?

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So, CG, in your eyes, who is that DT or Defensive lineman that will make a difference in his first game for us, that is in this draft?

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[quote name='Cat'sGrowl']And here's the part where CRA is like "Pftt DTs? Those aren't even important! Everyone knows linebackers are where it's at!"

Then I'm just like...yeeeahhh, we're done here[/QUOTE]

Nope, never have said or implied they aren't important. That is just what you makeup as others opinions when people say we don't have to grab a raw DT early.

And if you don't know the importance of LB in the scheme Rivera plans to run (the one he didn't run last year) then you should look into that. Saying LB and is a need isn't saying DT play is not important or not a need.

But it helps your ability to argue when you can just make up stuff anf claim this what posters are saying....when they aren't

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Whomever the FO feels is best. I'm fine with any. As long as we address the most wanting aspect of our team-the DL.

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I'm all for building our defensive line up, it's like I've said tons of times, pass rush is second only to great QB play. DE/DT/3-4 OLB's will continue to have upward momentum leading up to the draft. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Ingram and Coples are gone at #9. I also believe Nick Perry will rise, maybe even to the Bills. I just wish I had more tape on Dontari Poe, I saw one Memphis game from last season in which Poe looked rather average. I'm just curious how Hurney reads into Poe's lack of production. I honestly think Poe was just the victim of a pathetically under-talented team. I also want to get more info on Brockers. In the end, beefing up our defensive line should be priority #1.

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[quote name='bleys']so what is the point here, calling out a certain few that seem to think we have a bigger need at LB than DT? or that the DT position is either learned in the 1st year or bust?[/QUOTE]

I don't think we have a bigger need...just that
we have a need. With needs at every spot on D I think Carolina should go BPA when drafting defense
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[quote name='Sloth']If Beason comes back at even 80%, and we have no reason whatsoever to believe he won't, we will have drafted a SLB top ten.

Maybe we can go Punter in the second.[/QUOTE]

A 80% Beason is a pretty average LB. Beason isnt THAT good. We still have no WLB and Anderson isn't anything special. Drafting a LB this year makes just as much sense as when we went after Beason.

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[quote name='Cat'sGrowl']So there seems to be this delusional myth by this certain segment of awkward people whom are overly obsessed with the term "BPA."
They seem to think, contrary to the evidence, that a DT takes 9 years to finally be able to contribute to a team. So I figured I'd post this here, and every time they say something to you like that in the future, you can point your finger and laugh and stuff.


[I]Disclaimer[/I]: Frankly, I wanted to do a five year span, but began to wonder why I'm even bothering argue what is so apparent to everyone else, so this will have to do for now.


[B][U]2011[/U][/B]
Marcel Dareus
Aldon Smith
JJ Watt
Nick Fairley
Robert Quinn
Ryan Kerrigan
Cory Liuget
Adrian Clayborn
Phil Taylor
Cameron Jordan
Muhammad Wilkerson
Cameron Heyward

That's 12 linemen out of 32 picks (or perhaps 31, since the Ravens were skipped)

12 Defensive linemen. Literally all of which saw immediate success in their first year. You may be wondering how many LB's were taken in the first round of last year's draft. One. The answer to that, is one. Let's keep moving.


[B][U]2010[/U][/B]

Ndamukong Suh
Gerald McCoy
Tyson Alualu
Jason Pierre Paul
Derrick Morgan
Jared Odrick
Jerry Hughes

That's 7 there. There were 2 LB's taken in that round, and once again, the defensive linemen had a very high success rate and most all performed well their first season. I know someone will make the stupid argument [I]but but but there isn't a Suh in this draft[/I] so let me stick this in before someone who thinks their witty comes in, jots it down, and then runs off back to the Lounge to show us more pictures of their cat.

There isn't a Calvin Johnson in this class either. That isn't going to keep a team in the top 10 from taking Justin Blackmon. There isn't a Jake Long in this class either, that isn't going to stop some team from taking Matt Kalil. There isn't an Ndamukong Suh in this class, but it isn't going to stop some defense needy team from taking a nice DT prospect. So take that argument, poop it out, so it can go to New Orleans with the rest of the feces.


[B]Good Defensive Linemen can contribute immediately. [/B]

If the guys in the NFL offices feel there are good DLmen (which they obviously do..no e-nerd screaming [I]zomg but he isn't Suh [/I] is going to sway the opinion of a fanbase who saw what the entire world saw last year-that our DT's arent good. (:eek6:)

[I]Edit: For those who may be curious, the 2007 and 2009 drafts were also good for DLmen. '08 was poor but also saw like only four guys taken, so what does that tell you? I won't be bothered to write all it down...this is where you must became and man and type "Google" into your browser all by your lonesome.[/I][/QUOTE]

Are you making a case of DE or DT??
Of the 19 players you listed I do believe only these 6 players start at DT in the NFL
Ndamukong Suh#2 Overall
Gerald McCoy #3 overall
Marcel Dareus#3 overall
Tyson Alualu #10 overall
Phily Taylor
Nick Fairley
(, Muhammed Wilkerson,Jared Odrick,Corey Liguet play primarily as DE'S in a 3-4 D).
I would like to know who you think is going to be as good as Suh or Dareus in this draft because if we find that guy then I will jump on DT bandwagon with everyone else.

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Gap between the #1 and # 5 or 6 ranked DT doesn't look big in this draft class. If there is a good defensive player at 9 we can take him and still grab a DT in the 2nd

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Also you should've only posted DT's that play DT or NT the majority of the time.

My Argument was never that there wasn't a Suh in this draft, it was that there isn't a DT worth a top 10 pick. Hell, there isn't a DT worth a top 15 pick. At least not the ones most on here are talking about. "Poe and Brockers" The player that should be the top rated DT in this class at the moment would be Cox.


Do you see the Panther's drafting Cox at 9?

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[quote name='panther4life']Are you making a case of DE or DT??
Of the 19 players you listed I do believe only these 4 players start at DT in the NFL
Ndamukong Suh#2 Overall
Gerald McCoy #3 overall
Marcel Dareus#3 overall
Tyson Alualu #10 overall
(Phily Taylor, Muhammed Wilkerson,Jared Odrick,Corey Liguet play primarily as DE'S in a 3-4 D).
I would like to know who you think is going to be as good as Suh or Dareus in this draft because if we find that guy then I will jump on DT bandwagon with everyone else.[/QUOTE]

Nick fairley played alot when healthy, also Phil Taylor is a DT in a 4-3 not a 3-4
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