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#31 DirtyMagic97

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:34 AM

I'm not sure which player I'd say I prefer. Cornerback is a very difficult position for me to judge at the next level. Dre needs to bulk up a bit (easy fix), is a little timid when receivers play him physically, doesn't move laterally well, and his technique is suspect when the ball is in the air.

Stephon Gilmore has poor tackling technique and often ends up 10 yards past the player he is attempting to bring down, his back-peddle lasts too long, and he doesn't have great instinct.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:36 AM

I watch a lot of SEC football every fall, and after seeing both of these guys play a lot, I've gotta go with Kirkpatrick. I am actually surprised Gilmore is getting the kind of love he is getting.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:38 AM

Did Bama run zone? Everything I've read has Kirkpatrick as having played Man defense with him being unproven in zone with Gilmore being the stud Zone defender that is unproven in Man defense.

The reason Gilmore is jumping Kirkpatrick is the fact that Kirkpatrick has avg speed, quickness and his hips aren't fluid while in coverage.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:47 AM

Did Bama run zone? Everything I've read has Kirkpatrick as having played Man defense with him being unproven in zone with Gilmore being the stud Zone defender that is unproven in Man defense.

The reason Gilmore is jumping Kirkpatrick is the fact that Kirkpatrick has avg speed, quickness and his hips aren't fluid while in coverage.


Kirkpatrick mostly ran zone. Most consider him the best zone CB in this draft. This is also why many think he will be moved to safety. Especially if he can bulk up.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:51 AM

Kirkpatrick mostly ran zone. Most consider him the best zone CB in this draft. This is also why many think he will be moved to safety. Especially if he can bulk up.



Strange, I wonder why those draft sites and experts are saying he's proven in Man coverage but best fits as a NFL zone corner. Thanks for the info.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:54 AM

Strange, I wonder why those draft sites and experts are saying he's proven in Man coverage but best fits as a NFL zone corner. Thanks for the info.


It's the Alabama defense. Saban likes to throw different looks. I honestly think he struggles in man, though he does have the experience. He tends to get grabby and loses the ball in the air a lot. He also isn't quick off his break, so receivers can break from him.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:21 AM

That wasn't a comparison of Cam to Jenkins. It was a relation of the fact that they both had baggage, although not identical, baggage none the less. Making a point that we too Cam with HIS baggage because he interviewed well. They saw something or multiple somethings that they felt they could harness. If they get the same vibe from Jenkins, we'd sign him.


I'm not sure you realize what kind of baggage Jenkins has. Cam had more hypothesized baggage, and people saying his dad wanted money for him to play some place.... Jenkins has DUI's, multiple marijuana charges, terrible interviews with teams, was FIRED by his agent, the list goes on. His baggage is over the top, and I wouldn't want him on our team with so many young guys...... Dre and Gilmore all the way.

Gilmore is such an athlete, he even ran his 40 in .1 seconds faster than Dre at the combine, that's quite a bit. Even though Dre is taller, Gilmore has a higher vert and longer arms. If you are going on pure measurables, Gilmore beats Dre in every aspect of the game. I also like his ball skills more than Dre. They both played in the SEC against top ranked opponents, so its a really tough call, but Gilmore, unquestionably, has better athletic ability.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:29 AM

Maybe I'm a little cynical. Most people that get hit with DUIs got away dozens of times before getting caught. That's just reality. People try drugs for the first time when they are in high school or freshman in college. No one is having their first experience with marijuana 2 months before the biggest moment of their professional careers.


I think the part that may trouble some people is your wording "marijuana can mess up your life".. as if you are comparing it to cocaine, heroine, or even alcohol.. sure, getting busted in public is both stupid and negatively impacts one's life, but people also aren't selling their body or stealing other people's property just to acquire another "high"...

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:47 AM

Doubt we'll them at 9 but If we able trade back few spots i'll be happy with either one, leaning toward dre more as the better cb.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:48 AM

Out of the two, definitely Dre.

Dre is a physical corner and who excels with the ball in front of him. He breaks on the ball very well. He is able to diagnose plays really well. He also is a big hitter and sure tackler. I do believe his coverage isn't the greatest but it's serviceable and something that can and should be worked on.

And people keep bringing up the type of defense Bama played, that's irrelevant. Just because Bama played more man (I'm not positive they did) doesn't mean Dre is better in man. You have to watch the games to get a feel of what he excels at.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:21 AM

Grab Gilmore or Kirkpatrick in the 1st and Jenkins in the 2nd. CB problems solved for the next 10 years, barring injury or OTF issues.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:28 AM

Out of the two, definitely Dre.

Dre is a physical corner and who excels with the ball in front of him. He breaks on the ball very well. He is able to diagnose plays really well. He also is a big hitter and sure tackler. I do believe his coverage isn't the greatest but it's serviceable and something that can and should be worked on.

And people keep bringing up the type of defense Bama played, that's irrelevant. Just because Bama played more man (I'm not positive they did) doesn't mean Dre is better in man. You have to watch the games to get a feel of what he excels at.


Bama did NOT play more man....they were heavily zone.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:37 AM

I am not saying they did.

I just don't understand the people that say Dre is better in man because Bama played more man(not saying that's what actually happened). Just because one team plays a certain system doesn't mean everyone who plays in that system is better suited for the system.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:59 AM

I think it is pretty questionable to say "Kirkpatrick is the best corner, period" like some of you are saying because of the fact that so many scouts have them pretty neck and neck.... With Gilmore usually coming out on top for most analysts. You can say all you want that "Gilmore is a Dontari Poe", but that's just not true. He has had good game tape, combine just brought him up even more. I can't explain to you how it was overlooked, but I can tell you the guy has talent and that it is not purely based on his combine.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:24 AM

I think it is pretty questionable to say "Kirkpatrick is the best corner, period" like some of you are saying because of the fact that so many scouts have them pretty neck and neck.... With Gilmore usually coming out on top for most analysts. You can say all you want that "Gilmore is a Dontari Poe", but that's just not true. He has had good game tape, combine just brought him up even more. I can't explain to you how it was overlooked, but I can tell you the guy has talent and that it is not purely based on his combine.


So you think Gilmore was a shut down CB last year?

I think his love is due more to his potential than actually on the field play


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