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#16 shinner

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 02:09 PM

When given the chance, people will speakout...with their wallets

Kinda surprised the article didn't say that the poor turnout was most likely a result of the down economy :)

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 02:19 PM

Back in my day, majority of votes/opinions made the rules. Not threats of lawsuits and protests by the offended.


Luckily for us, our country and it's institutions weren't founded in such a dark era.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 02:34 PM

Luckily for us, our country and it's institutions weren't founded in such a dark era.


Disagree completely. The Declaration of Independence was unanimously approved by representatives of all our states (I think they were called states by then). Even though there were a few reps. inside each state who disagreed they were outvoted by their other states members. No compromise needed.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 02:37 PM

Too bad other local organizations/communities don't have the guts to speak out like this judge did. Great ruling.

http://www.earnedmedia.org/lc1008.htm

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 02:43 PM

What's it called when the wishes of the many are crushed by the wishes of the few?


It's called fascism.





(stir dat pot)

#21 Delhommey

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 02:51 PM

Disagree completely. The Declaration of Independence was unanimously approved by representatives of all our states (I think they were called states by then). Even though there were a few reps. inside each state who disagreed they were outvoted by their other states members. No compromise needed.


If we had listen to the majority, there would have been no Senate, and the South would have been a powerless satellite of the Northeast.

Jim Crow laws were very popular in the south as well in the middle of last century until a very vocal minority stood up to it.

Majority rules, minority rights. That's the basis of this country and any healthy democracy.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:08 PM

96% of Americans celebrate Christmas source (3rd paragraph)

http://www.gallup.co...oliday-Has.aspx

If you add Hanukkah as an option, you easily surprass 97%. In practically all forms of organizations from the feds right on down to your local PTA meeting, when you have that kind of support, there is no debate, nothing left to discuss, it is the same as 100%. It would be nice if these sqeaky wheels with nothing better to do would move on to something else. It would also be nice if a few of these local retailer managers would grow a backbone and not listen to one or two customers complaints thus advising their employees to censor their well wishes. Let it be.

Traditions and customs are what we are and we can't please everybody all the time. Why should 96% of us have to bend? Seriously why? Nobody is oppressed or being abused.

So why?

#23 Delhommey

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:12 PM

While I don't like the idea of a small group of people stopping something for a large group of people, I despise the idea of a large group of people feeling they should have unquestioned tyrannical say on how things are done.

That's mob mentality at it's finest.

I like what the Brits did in their school: compromised.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:24 PM

While I don't like the idea of a small group of people stopping something for a large group of people, I despise the idea of a large group of people feeling they should have unquestioned tyrannical say on how things are done.

That's mob mentality at it's finest.

I like what the Brits did in their school: compromised.

Would you shut down or censor an art exhibit if some folks found it offensive?

Giving in to the tyranny of the offended cuts both ways.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:26 PM

While I don't like the idea of a small group of people stopping something for a large group of people, I despise the idea of a large group of people feeling they should have unquestioned tyrannical say on how things are done.

That's mob mentality at it's finest.

I like what the Brits did in their school: compromised.


If what the principal said is true that moving it to Jan. was the plan all along then I can see that point. But sending out a letter saying it was cancelled with no other information given, then sending out an explanation with detailed plans after the uproar does not bode well for his credability.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:29 PM

i like what the brits did in their school: Compromised.


socialism!!!1!!!

#27 Delhommey

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:32 PM

Would you shut down or censor an art exhibit if some folks found it offensive?

Giving in to the tyranny of the offended cuts both ways.


Would you please point out anything in the paragraph that you quoted that would leave you to believe I would?

Plus a situation where the school's putting on a Christmas show where the children will be put in a difficult situation if they don't or can't participate is completely different than having an exhibit in an art museum where people can very easily not go. So that is a poor analogy.

Now, if you had a situation for example where there was an exhibit and a school was going to take their students to see it, I wouldn't have a problem with them working something out if a good minority of the parents didn't approve of it.

Regardless, Christmas in America has become a materialistic Godless abomination anyway. I don't see why anyone would want to protect it.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:34 PM

If what the principal said is true that moving it to Jan. was the plan all along then I can see that point. But sending out a letter saying it was cancelled with no other information given, then sending out an explanation with detailed plans after the uproar does not bode well for his credability.


You're right. Must have been the vocal minority that complained about canceling that changed his mind.

Damn those minorities.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:37 PM

Would you please point out anything in the paragraph that you quoted that would leave you to believe I would?

Plus a situation where the school's putting on a Christmas show where the children will be put in a difficult situation if they don't or can't participate is completely different than having an exhibit in an art museum where people can very easily not go. So that is a poor analogy.

Now, if you had a situation for example where there was an exhibit and a school was going to take their students to see it, I wouldn't have a problem with them working something out if a good minority of the parents didn't approve of it.

Regardless, Christmas in America has become a materialistic Godless abomination anyway. I don't see why anyone would want to protect it.

That's a cop out answer :frown2:

People claiming "offense" are running roughshod over everyone else these days. It's crap and you know it.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 03:43 PM

That's a cop out answer :frown2:

People claiming "offense" are running roughshod over everyone else these days. It's crap and you know it.


You gave me a strawman argument. I gave you a realistic situation and answer.


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