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#1 cantrell

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:43 PM

http://news.yahoo.co...-051125159.html

He was the spitting image of the killer, had the same first name and was near the scene of the crime at the fateful hour: Carlos DeLuna paid the ultimate price and was executed in place of someone else in Texas in 1989, a report out Tuesday found.


He was identified by only one eyewitness who saw a Hispanic male running from the gas station. But DeLuna had just shaved and was wearing a white dress shirt -- unlike the killer, who an eyewitness said had a mustache and was wearing a grey flannel shirt.
Even though witnesses accounts were contradictory -- the killer was seen fleeing towards the north, while DeLuna was caught in the east -- DeLuna was arrested.


Following hasty trial DeLuna was executed by lethal injection in 1989.
Up to the day he died in prison of cirrhosis of the liver, Hernandez repeatedly admitted to murdering Wanda Lopez, Liebman said.
"Unfortunately, the flaws in the system that wrongfully convicted and executed DeLuna -- faulty eyewitness testimony, shoddy legal representation and prosecutorial misconduct -- continue to send innocent men to their death today," read a statement that accompanies the report.


basically texas murdered an innocent man. again. to me cases like this one and cameron todd willingham are the only argument i need to show how dumb and useless the death penalty is but i'm interested in hearing the opinions of people who are willing to ignore the murder of innocent people to satisfy their own blood lust

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:07 AM

mah bibble says a eye for a eye


i like to ignore the part about turning the other cheek tho


^ pro-death christians

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:18 AM

I'll never kidnap, rape and quarter your 12 year old daughter because if I do, you'll see I get room, board, health care and all the rest for the next 60 years.
Or maybe even better, I'll be a free man in 15 .

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 07:52 AM

I'll never kidnap, rape and quarter your 12 year old daughter because if I do, you'll see I get room, board, health care and all the rest for the next 60 years.
Or maybe even better, I'll be a free man in 15 .


So that makes it ok to wrongly execute an innocent person?

Our justice system is based on the principle of it is better to let a hundred guilty people go free rather than one innocent be punished, that's why the state has to prove your guilt rather than you prove your innocence.

If we truly know with 100% certainty that the person is guilty, I'm all for executing them. Hell walk them right outside the courtroom after sentencing and put a bullet in them.

The problem is that we very rarely know if that person is guilty. Convictions based on testimony should automatically remove the death penalty as an option, testimony can't be tested or proven. It just amounts to heresy. I honestly don't feel like the folks giving testimony are lying or anything like that, but what they think they say and what they really saw are two totally different things, and should we really kill people based on that?

Face it, the death penalty sounds great on paper, but in reality it is not doing a damn thing as a deterrent, just takes up too much time and money on the tax payers, (it would be cheaper to room and board them for 60 years), and our justice system is too error prone to be relied on for ensuring no innocents gets murdered by the state.






In principle, the death penalty makes a lot of sense. I'm with you on why we should not reward people who commit these horrible crimes.

However,
The problem is that the dealth penalty only makes sense in some fantasy world where only the "evil" people get sentenced to death.

In reality the death penalty is not able to be practically applied. We spend way too much money on all the appeals anytime a death sentence is handed out, you have all of these innocent people being killed due to convictions based on testimony.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 07:57 AM

It's not. It's vindictive as well as being cruel and unusual.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 08:52 AM

Because it creates jobs.

Think of all of the people employed in the country just so that we can execute a couple hundred (that many?) people a year.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:02 AM

Because it creates jobs.

Think of all of the people employed in the country just so that we can execute a couple hundred (that many?) people a year.


Really? Then all murder should be legal. Imagine all the jobs it would create.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:07 AM

I'm for psychological torture for the remainder of their existance in a cell that's too short for them to stand and too narrow for them to lie down.

Better than killing them right? But that assumes you get the right guy too.

Fact is...that will loom over any punishment regardless of the extent of it.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:11 AM

It least a guy wrongly convicted has a chance at living rather than being put down like a dog.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:15 AM

It least a guy wrongly convicted has a chance at living rather than being put down like a dog.


I'm not a death penalty proponent, but if death wasn't an easy way out for some...suicide wouldn't exist.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:23 AM

Really? Then all murder should be legal. Imagine all the jobs it would create.


No because if it was legal we wouldn't have the prisons and the capital punishment industry.


All kidding aside.

We need an ultimate punishment for those members of society who are demonstrably unfit to live amongst even our criminals. Is the system broken and in serious need of reform? Yes. But its a necessary system none the less.

When the decision is made to throw away a human being, be it in a 5x8 for all of time or by lethal injection at that point it really should come down to a financial calculation.

Oh and Ill also grant you that the bar for the decision to execute should be so unassailably high that guilt is a metaphysical certainty.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:26 AM

As long as our judicial system continues to convict innocent people of crimes they did not commit it is hard to support the death penalty.

It is too easy to find instances of individuals being put to death even when the legitimacy of their conviction is in doubt.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:30 AM

Typical liberal jibberish.

Perfection cannot be acheived in anything in life.

Cannot touch abortion because someone, somewhere might have been raped. So, lets kill millions of unborn for convenience for the sake of not ever having to say that one person had to endure something less than perfection. None of the unborn can ever have a story written by the press, or showcased by libs for their own ends like the one in a million mistakes can.

So now, just turn your head for all the crimes that are slam dunks for people who should not be on death row over a month, much less 10 years, because a mistake was made.

Credible libs would want to fix what happened in the case above, not throw out the whole system.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:30 AM

Don't blame the death penalty, blame shitty/corrupt police work. Killing an innocent man has nothing to do with the morality of the death penalty, I fail to see the connection.

Honestly? I find it hard to give a poo what really happend to murders and rapists and it's sad but this guy is just a casualty. We won't stop fighting wars because children get killed, or believing/enforcing religions depsite the histories many of them have mass slaughtering 'innocent' poeple for worse reasons than just being a casualty IMO,. Because a few innocent get killed is not really a good excuse to not have it because if it was we would not fight wars, we would disregard religion. Freedom is not free and niether is getting rid of the worlds filth.

Death is used everywhere as a tool, has been and always will be.So looking at the bigger picture, using to get rid of murderers really isn't so bad. As far as the morality of it I don't really believe anyone unless they have had a loved one taken from them or worse tortured and raped then killed. Those opinions are much more valid and I'd pull the trigger any day on filth like that and not give it a second thought.

'Killing is killing whether done for duty, profit or fun' is complete bullshit. You cannot disregard intention and meaning, we are not just a bunch of animals. Well we are, but there is a distinction.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:35 AM

Jared Lee Loughner is a great example of someone who deserves the death penalty. He drew a weapon in a public place, shot several individuals, killing 6, was subdued at the scene by bystanders and handed over to the cops.

Guilt is not a question here.

Kill the man and lets not spend another dime or moments thought on him.


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