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Do you think Cam's success had an impact on how people look at RG3?


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Posted 25 June 2012 - 12:53 PM

Lol. It's killing' grits that after talking all that sh1t about Cam that his team went out and got a poor man's Cam Newton.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:01 PM

lol Cam and RG3 are nothing alike unless you are judging them on skin color.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:12 PM

I know they're nothing alike. RGIII = way < Cam.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:16 PM

Lol. It's killing' grits that after talking all that sh1t about Cam that his team went out and got a poor man's Cam Newton.



I don't even think they're the same kind of player.

Other than skin color (which is irrelevant) the only real similarity I see is mobility. And even there, Griffin is more of a straight line speedster while Newton is a combo of elusive and run-over-you.

They're very different players.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:21 PM

We'll see in a few years who turns out the better player. I'm not one for handing a Hall of Fame jacket to a guy with 6 wins on his resume but its very early in his career.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:29 PM

We'll see in a few years who turns out the better player. I'm not one for handing a Hall of Fame jacket to a guy with 6 wins on his resume but its very early in his career.


That's six more than Griffin has at the moment.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:33 PM

like i said, well see in a few years.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:44 PM

like i said, well see in a few years.


Granted.

Again though, my whole point in the discussion has been that they're not the same kind of quarterback. That goes to skill set, not level of success.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:17 PM

fair enough but i would consider "Cutch in the 4th quarter" a skill set. Some guys have it, some guys don't.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:22 PM

fair enough but i would consider "Cutch in the 4th quarter" a skill set. Some guys have it, some guys don't.


And I would say Newton hasn't shown that on the pro level...yet.

That's another one of those "we'll see in the future" on both parts.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

Speaking of Griffin...

Robert Griffin III extortion target of former Baylor basketball player

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 03:20 PM

We'll see in a few years who turns out the better player. I'm not one for handing a Hall of Fame jacket to a guy with 6 wins on his resume but its very early in his career.


So I guess since wins are a not a team statistic, if the redskins only win 6 games this coming season then rg3 will be considered unproven and mediocre because he can't win more?

Just following your poo logic you've been flinging around here for ever since i can remember grits.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 03:24 PM

Glad you are on top of things. If they don't have a winning record i'd be upset.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 05:41 PM

I will be very interested to see what RG3 does from under center and in a crowded pocket this year because there is no doubt that RG3 has all the tools to be an incredible pro but he has a low release point, is a little short, and was actually less patient in a crowded pocket than Cam was at Auburn.

I am pulling for him though because he has the potential to be very, very exciting.

Disagree about the low release point.
I don't understand the whole height issue, Griffin is average height for a QB, in fact he's actually taller then Aaron Rodgers and no one calls him a little short.
Also disagree about pocket presence.

Little known fact that during Griffin's freshmen year at Baylor they were under center alot.
As Briles evolved the offense they ran more and more shotgun.
So Griffin actually has more experience under center then most think.
About playing from within the pocket:

Because of his dual-threat capabilities, Griffin has often been compared to Cam Newton, but Griffin's college offense focused more on passing than Newton's. In Griffin's final season at Baylor, he attempted 110 fewer designed rushes than Newton did in his 2010 season at Auburn.

Additionally, Griffin passed on more than 84 percent of his drop-backs, which was a slightly higher percentage than Newton's at Auburn. Eighty-three percent of those passes came from inside the pocket, where Griffin completed more than three-quarters of his attempts.
As with Newton, scouts have questioned whether Griffin can make the transition from a spread offense to a pro-style system in which he would have to take snaps from under center. Newton took 95.7 percent of his snaps from the shotgun in Auburn's spread offense but was able to adapt fairly easily to a pro-style system in his first year in the NFL, completing a similar percentage of passes in shotgun and under center.
Last season, Griffin took 88 percent of his pass attempts from the shotgun, but his numbers from under center were actually better than his numbers from the shotgun.

http://espn.go.com/n...i-make-big-leap
Under Center/ Shotgun
75.0%/ 72.3% comp pct.
11.7/ 10.5 ypa
7-0 / 30-6 TD-INT


Don't get me wrong Griff has his flaws, but I don't think the ones mentioned are them.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 06:12 PM

This guy ^^^