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Panthers Switching to 3-4 Defense...

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Ron played NT in the 3-4 at about 315 in KC. He was undersized then....Carolina has him listed a tad heavier. A lot of the good 3-4 NT are playing at 330-340.

The KC community considered him slightly undersized. Remember back when we signed him? The guy we were exited about bc he fit the 43 better? Probably don't want to put an older version of that on the field with a couple of guys that aren't 34 DEs

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Trying to throw me off with multiple posts will not work. I am way to clever for that old trick.

I hear you, but Edwards is a big stout man. He is to 325 as Hardy is to 300. They both look fit. And Edwards does not need a long and productive career here. He only needs to play well and hold the fort for a year, maybe two. Both of which he is more than capable of accomplishing.

I may be nitpicking, but I just do not see a big enough difference between 325 and 330, I only know of one productive NT at above the 330 range and that is Wolfork. If big was all that mattered, everyone would put a sumo wrestler in at NT. You have to be big enough to stand your ground, stout enough to move a pile, and agile enough to get penetration. That is a lethal combination from a 6'3'' 325lb man. And not just anyone can do it. So be glad Edwards is still here. We need him, and he fits what we want.

I am sorry that we do not have quality starters at every position, yet. We are only at the beginning of year two. Temper your dissatisfaction with the knowledge the we are just now scratching the surface of what we will eventually become. And we are still good enough to be looking at the playoffs. Seems like a hell of a starting off point to me. But hey, I have been married a long time, maybe my thrill level is a little lower than it used to be?

Sorry for the rant. I am just testy about preceived flaws, when TC has just started. Folks are nervous about the past seeping into the futue. I can see that. The future is bright, let the light guide you to a serene and happy place.

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I'd prefer them to perfect the Jim Johnston 4-3 defense than to dabble in the 3-4.

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what's going to be funny is when we run 3-4 formations quite often in games this year and do well with it even with our current crop of talent while the "experts" in here say we just don't have the personnel for it.

we have the guys who can do it. it may not be our base, but that doesn't matter because it will be switched up a lot in games.

i expect us to be running a 3-4 30-40% of the time by the end of the year. we have the talent to do it. we have players than can pull it off. it's pretty narrow minded to think that the guys we have can't do it and do it well.

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I'd prefer them to perfect the Jim Johnston 4-3 defense than to dabble in the 3-4.

i prefer that they just do whatever works than stick to any 1 philosophy.

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I would agree with you to a point. We run the 4-3 under/over which is a 1 gap scheme . But with the NT playing the 0 technique lines up on the outside shoulder of the center he still has responsibility for both A gaps given the the other tackle is lined up in the 3 technique and both DEs are lines up in a 5 technique.

You make a good point in that 3-4s can be a 1 gap or 2 gap schemes but still in both, the nose tackle almost always has responsibility for both A gaps especially against the run. Against the pass the NT may try to shoot a gap but are there to stop the draw play first and pass rush second. Guys like Kemo were clearly in there as a run stopper to stuff the middle and patrol both A gaps not to split a gap and pressure the quarterback.

No. NT does not mean two-gap. Our NTs do not control the center and flow, they have a gap like everyone else. Note that they're not head up, either.

And no, 3 tech and 5 tech are not two gap necessarily either. We are a one gap team.

As for the other posts about Edwards, he's pretty big compared to where he was coming out - 293 (and a somewhat impressive 4.83 40). But he wasn't really that explosive, so he gained weight I'm assuming to become more solid at the point of attack. He wasn't that good a fit in Crennel's two-gap 3-4 but he was solid for them in 2010.

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I'd prefer them to perfect the Jim Johnston 4-3 defense than to dabble in the 3-4.

that's fair, though for all real purposes you're just standing up a right end, moving the three other linemen over, and putting the SLB (that historically has been another end subbed in) on the line. I guess they could leave the 3 actual LB in and just stand up Johnson as well, but I don't see Anderson or Kuechly as a good fit.

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3-4, 4-3, 2-5, 1-6...i don't care what they play...as long as they do better than they did last season.

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Why is this back on the front page dag nabbit

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No. NT does not mean two-gap. Our NTs do not control the center and flow, they have a gap like everyone else. Note that they're not head up, either.

And no, 3 tech and 5 tech are not two gap necessarily either. We are a one gap team.

As for the other posts about Edwards, he's pretty big compared to where he was coming out - 293 (and a somewhat impressive 4.83 40). But he wasn't really that explosive, so he gained weight I'm assuming to become more solid at the point of attack. He wasn't that good a fit in Crennel's two-gap 3-4 but he was solid for them in 2010.

I can't tell you exactly what McDermott will run this year and last year was a disaster. He will primarily run a 1 gap scheme using the 4-3 but could opt for 1 gap or 2 gap or a hybrid combination when they go to a 3-4 scheme. But I do know under Fox especially when we had Kemo, he was responsible for both A gaps on run plays . He lined up on the outside shoulder of the center but not in the gap which is still defined as the 0 technique. He had a 1 gap assignment on pass rush assignments but was usually replaced for someone who could actually get penetration. I already said that in a 3 and 5 technique it is by definition a 1 gap assignment. If it were a 2 gap assignment, for example, the DEs would be lined up over the tackle in a 4 technique.

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