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We could improve our defensive scheme by firing McDermott...

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First of all our 4-3 is an aggressive scheme which does much of what a 3-4 does meaning there is not much reason to switch as a base defense. The advantage to shifting things around and moving from a 3-4 to 4-3 during a game or between games is to confuse the game preparation and the blocking assignments. But whether we use a 4-3 or 3-4 the key for us are good run fits and pressure on the edges mixed with good blitzing schemes.

I don't think you can make too much of what we did last year given we were pretty vanilla much of the year and were putting together a patchwork scheme that we had to recreate every week based on who was available and who we were facing. For example we won't need an extra safety in our nickel if we have good linebacker and line play. We can use the extra corner or even go to 4 corners and one safety up high against 4 WR sets. Of course that assumes we have 4 corners who will be able to play at a high level which may not be the case.

Anyway, I expect that we will be very different on defense compared to last. Partly in the schemes or looks but also how effective we will be with much better talent on the field at several key positions.

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We could improve our defensive scheme by firing McDermott...

Wait and see what happens this year. He will suddenly go from a goat to an up and comer based on the improvement this season.

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Wait and see what happens this year. He will suddenly go from a goat to an up and comer based on the improvement this season.

I do agree. How he does with one more year, hopefully with a relatively healthy defense, is a better indicator to judge him by. If we do poorly once again, time to let him go IMO.

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Rivera has shown that he has no problem getting rid of players he doesn't want no matter what round they were taken (look out AE). If our defense drags this team down again we're going to find out how willing he is to hold on to coaches.

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Carolina doesn't have the personel to run a base 3-4 D right now. No one should trying to claim they do....it isn't that simple. That is Madden logic.

They can play some selective 3-4 looks...not much more.

I understand why you shake your head....bc you have no words to explain how guys like Hardy are 3-4 DEs or Ron Edwards can be the NT after he was run out of KC for not being able to handle it. We have a roster full of 4-3 guys. A few could handle it....overall they would be out of place up front in a 3-4.

Im shaking my head because you are going to fight your point no matter how wrong you are proven.

Ron Edwards is a NT and played NT for KC... He is in no way a UT and that should not even be a discussion.

Hardy was more of a jack LB but has beefed up so he is def could be a 3-4 DE. Would some of his talent be wasted? Sure but he could do it.

No one would be out of place because they would fit the base just fine. So would Johnson,Fua, Applewhite,and Alexander.

Oh and LOL at your Madden logic thing because its nothing ground breaking. Teams make the switch from 4-3 to 3-4 all the time in the NFL. Not saying Carolina is because it would be a wast of Hardy and Johnson but if they wanted to they could.

Ok well Im done trying to explain this to you. I understand you will never give up on your ideas no matter how wrong they are.

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McD leaned under the great Jim

Johnson.....and that was about applying pressure. Rivera more than once bluntly said injuries prevented them from attempting to apply it.....so playing safe and soft was completely against what McD knows.

I think McD can be could was a scapegoat in Philly in addition to following a legend....and had no bodies last year. Still a talent driven league. He needs players on the field

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McD leaned under the great Jim

Johnson.....and that was about applying pressure. Rivera more than once bluntly said injuries prevented them from attempting to apply it.....so playing safe and soft was completely against what McD knows.

I think McD can be could was a scapegoat in Philly in addition to following a legend....and had no bodies last year. Still a talent driven league. He needs players on the field

We agree about McDermott. One of the reasons I wanted Kuechly was because he has really not had the kind of linebackers he needs for his scheme either here or his two years in Philly. He has been snake bitten when it comes to having healthy linebackers who could play his scheme. I think this year we will see why Rivera hired him.

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I don't think that we'll make a complete switch to 3-4 but we will see more variations of it. This is not to say that we are not moving in the direction of becoming a 3-4 defense, I just don't see it happening this season.

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I think we will see some 3-4 looks but I think if we were going to have switched we would have seen it in who we drafted and picked up in the off season.From a talent perspective we are a 4-3 team.

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also, since we aren't built for a 3-4. I would think most 3-4 looks would come on 3rd down in what would be primarly passing scenarios for opponents. We would get pushed around playing 3-4 on running downs w/ any consistancy.....and we could pushed around enough out of the 4-3.

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While this does not directly answer your question heres a thread I made about the different looks we had last year.

Personally, I like the name "Meatloaf package" better.... that stuff is pure awesome... besides, ever try pushing meatloaf around on your plate? The more pressure you put on it, the less it gives....

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