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Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

‘We Are Not Your Problem’

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.

The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.

The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.

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According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area."

Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

[...]

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

http://web.archive.org/web/20021003225412/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

About eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts.

The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday. The Bergen County Police bomb squad X-rayed packages found inside the van but did not find any explosives, authorities said.

However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot.

"There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."

Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives, although officers were unable to find anything. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said.

Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton.

Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names.

East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI's Newark Field Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said.

"We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side," said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. "Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down."

The East Rutherford officers summoned the county police bomb squad, New Jersey state troopers, and FBI agents, who waited alongside the van as prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney's Office tried to obtain a warrant to search the van late Tuesday, Schmidig said.

By 10 p.m., members of the bomb squad were picking through the van and X-raying packages found inside, Schmidig said.

Sources said the FBI alert, known as a BOLO or "Be On Lookout," was sent out at 3:31 p.m.

It read:

"Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center.

"Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals."

FBI spokeswoman Sandra Carroll declined to comment on the incident late Tuesday.

State police Lt. Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however.

Business records show an Urban Moving Systems with offices on West 50th Street in Manhattan and on West 18th Street in Weehawken. Telephone messages left at the businesses Tuesday evening were not immediately returned.

Business records show the owner as Dominik Suter of Fair Lawn. A woman answering the telephone at Suter's home acknowledged he owned the company but refused to comment further. She also declined to identify herself.

It was not clear Tuesday whether the van stopped by police is related to Suter's company.

A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Suites Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m.

The woman, who asked not to be identified, said the people detained appeared to be white men, but she could not give more details. About 5:30 p.m., police evacuated the hotel without offering guests an explanation.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011108025936/http:/www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm

Car bomb found on George Washington Bridge

American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge connecting New York and New Jersey.

The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge.

Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported.

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DEBORAH FEVERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, I can. That is the information that I am getting from two sources, that there was a van either on the New Jersey Turnpike or the Garden State Parkway, and that it was near the George Washington Bridge.

There were two or three men who were in the van that was pulled over. It is not clear why the van was pulled over, but when it was, law enforcers found tons of explosives inside of the van.

That is, right now, all I am hearing. But again, two to three people in custody, and we are trying to get more information on that right now.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/se.04.html

Of course the police later said, "No No No, there were no explosives, but yes we did arrest these people, we just can't tell you why" or more specifically NYPD

NYPD officers have confirmed the arrest of three men on the New Jersey turn-pike.

However officials denied any explosives were found in the van.

Officials declined to say why exactly the men had been arrested.

LOS ANGELES -- U.S. officials have arrested, detained and questioned hundreds of people on vague suspicions of ties to terrorism since Sept. 11, but a few dozen cases are especially mysterious: They are Israelis, young and apparently Jewish, working in the United States on temporary visas and have little obvious connection to Islamic extremism.

The U.S. government has offered no explanation for the detentions, estimated to be as many as 60 in number, and some of them have begun speaking out in protest and asking courts to end their detention. But Washington appears to be treating them as palpable threats: Many remain in jail. Most have been charged with immigration violations, and either have been or will be deported.

Based on what the Israelis say about the questions they have been asked, federal officials appear to believe they are either Muslim extremists hiding behind false Israeli identities or spies working for the Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency.

If the latter is the case, it raises the possibility that Washington is using its antiterrorism campaign as an excuse to round up other groups of people it wants out. "They asked if I was spying on anybody," said Yaniv Hani, 22, who spent four weeks in custody after Sept. 11 and now faces charges from the Immigration and Naturalization Service for working with an improper visa. He said Federal Bureau of Investigation officials asked him whether he was really Muslim before switching to questions about possible ties to Mossad. Mr. Hani worked for a number of years for Israel's military police.

Israel has protested the arrests. Mark Regev, a spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Washington, said the FBI has not contacted Israel about spying allegations, and that "not a single one has been charged with intelligence violations. It has all been visa violations."

Another possibility is that the FBI suspects the Israelis of taking part in a clandestine operation. A majority of those arrested were employees of a Florida company, Quality Sales, that hires vacationing Israeli youth to work at vending carts in U.S. shopping malls.

Thomas Dean, a lawyer for the company, acknowledged that the Israelis had been issued the wrong type of visa, since they were tourists on working vacations rather than permanent workers. However, he noted that their cases had all been labelled "special interest" by the INS, a new designation indicating that they are suspects in the antiterrorism campaign, not regular immigration violators.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011229232036/http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/printarticle/gam/20011217/UHELDM

According to one former high-ranking American intelligence official, who asked not to be named, the FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its investigation that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front.

After their arrest, the men were held in detention for two-and-a-half months and were deported at the end of November, officially for visa violations.

However, a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI concluded that at least two of them were in fact Mossad operatives, according to the former American official, who said he was regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials.

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However, the former American official said that after American authorities confronted Jerusalem on the issue at the end of last year, the Israeli government acknowledged the operation and apologized for not coordinating it with Washington.

The five men — Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari and Yaron Shmuel — were arrested eight hours after the attacks by the Bergen County, N.J., police while driving in an Urban Moving Systems van. The police acted on an FBI alert after the men allegedly were seen acting strangely while watching the events from the roof of their warehouse and the roof of their van.

In addition to their strange behavior and their Middle Eastern looks, the suspicions were compounded when a box cutter and $4,000 in cash were found in the van. Moreover, one man carried two passports and another had fresh pictures of the men standing with the smoldering wreckage of the World Trade Center in the background.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020323052403/http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html

Following September 11, 2001, more than 60 Israelis were taken into custody under the Patriot Act and immigration laws. One highly placed investigator told Carl Cameron of Fox News that there were “tie-ins” between the Israelis and September 11; the hint was clearly that they’d gathered intelligence on the planned attacks but kept it to themselves.

The Fox News source refused to give details, saying: “Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.” Fox News is not noted for its condemnation of Israel; it’s a ruggedly patriotic news channel owned by Rupert Murdoch and was President Bush’s main cheerleader in the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq.

Another group of around 140 Israelis were detained prior to September 11, 2001, in the USA as part of a widespread investigation into a suspected espionage ring run by Israel inside the USA. Government documents refer to the spy ring as an “organised intelligence-gathering operation” designed to “penetrate government facilities”. Most of those arrested had served in the Israeli armed forces – but military service is compulsory in Israel. Nevertheless, a number had an intelligence background.

The first glimmerings of an Israeli spying exercise in the USA came to light in spring 2001, when the FBI sent a warning to other federal agencies alerting them to be wary of visitors calling themselves “Israeli art students” and attempting to bypass security at federal buildings in order to sell paintings.

A Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) report suggested the Israeli calls “may well be an organised intelligence-gathering activity”. Law enforcement documents say that the Israelis “targeted and penetrated military bases” as well as the DEA, FBI and dozens of government facilities, including secret offices and the unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel.

A number of Israelis questioned by the authorities said they were students from Bezalel Academy of Art and Design, but Pnina Calpen, a spokeswoman for the Israeli school, did not recognise the names of any Israelis mentioned as studying there in the past 10 years. A federal report into the so-called art students said many had served in intelligence and electronic signal intercept units during their military service.

According to a 61-page report, drafted after an investigation by the DEA and the USSeptember 11, 2001, when a report by a French intelligence agency noted “according to the FBI, Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida, from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells”. immigration service, the Israelis were organised into cells of four to six people. The significance of what the Israelis were doing didn’t emerge until after

The report contended that Mossad agents were spying on Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehi, two of leaders of the 9/11 hijack teams. The pair had settled in Hollywood, Florida, along with three other hijackers, after leaving Hamburg – where another Mossad team was operating close by.

Hollywood in Florida is a town of just 25,000 souls. The French intelligence report says the leader of the Mossad cell in Florida rented apartments “right near the apartment of Atta and al-Shehi”. More than a third of the Israeli “art students” claimed residence in Florida. Two other Israelis connected to the art ring showed up in Fort Lauderdale. At one time, eight of the hijackers lived just north of the town.

Put together, the facts do appear to indicate that Israel knew that 9/11, or at least a large-scale terror attack, was about to take place on American soil, but did nothing to warn the USA. But that’s not quite true. In August 2001, the Israelis handed over a list of terrorist suspects – on it were the names of four of the September 11 hijackers. Significantly, however, the warning said the terrorists were planning an attack “outside the United States”.

http://web.archive.org/web/20031202162323/http://www.sundayherald.com/37707

So that's enough for now. But there's some info on the "Dancing Israelis" as well as general Israel suspicious activity. I'll dig up other stuff for you in a bit, because there's a lot more besides just this stuff.

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I don't mean this in any derogatory manner towards any of the "anti-truthers," I guess you would call them, but it boggles my mind that people have such a hard time believing that we had high-ranking officials complicit in the attack in some way. From any objective source I've read, the Commission Report is looked at as a joke, to "truthers," it's downright insulting.

Aside from that, look at our history... Tell the soldiers who died in a watery tomb in Pearl Harbor that our government wouldn't hide anything from them that could mean life or death for them. Tell all the wasted lives that were sacrificed in Vietnam that we didn't essentially create that war with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Or even on a smaller scale, look at what happened with Pres. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, or the story of Pat Tillman... Some certain form of falsehoods, lies, or outright "cover-up" is blatantly obvious with the latter two, and with Kennedy, there's certainly a lot of questions.

We're left in the dark so often that so many are conditioned to shutter once a light is turned on.

I'm not saying any and every account from "truthers" is accurate or in fact, the unquestionable truth, but, considering what we know from past events, it certainly should be considered. I love my country, but that doesn't mean I have to accept each and every "official" account they spew out.

Some conspiracy theorists can rightly be considered idiotic nut-jobs, but I believe the most of "us" are just people willing to approach each and every event with discreet objectivity, take every account into consideration, and then make our conclusion based on all of that versus just accepting the status quo explanations.

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Two possible explanations for 9/11:

A. Terrorists hijack 4 planes, destroy WTC, hit Pentagon, crash in PA. This is supported by eyewitness accounts, FAA radio transmissions, radar tracking of the planes, family members who received phone calls from loved ones on the planes, the fact that two of the impacts occurred on live TV, and the fact that members of Al Quieda took credit for the attacks afterwards.

B. The US Government, in a conspiracy that involves planting enough dynamite to conduct a controlled demolition of two 110 story buildings without anyone noticing, taking control of airliners, firing a missile into their own building in Washington, somehow getting rid of the plane that was alleged to crash into the Pentagon, faking phone calls to victims families, and keeping everyone involved quiet about the whole thing, decides to murder 3000 of its own citizens in order to justify invading a remote country in southwest Asia with no mineral resources or strategic value to speak of. All this despite the fact that the United States, when it has previously or subsequently decided to invade small countries(Vietnam, Grenada, First Gulf War, Second Gulf War) has not needed a terrorist attack in order to justify it.

Yeah, I can see why sensible people would totally go for B.

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Two possible explanations for 9/11:

A. Terrorists hijack 4 planes, destroy WTC, hit Pentagon, crash in PA. This is supported by eyewitness accounts, FAA radio transmissions, radar tracking of the planes, family members who received phone calls from loved ones on the planes, the fact that two of the impacts occurred on live TV, and the fact that members of Al Quieda took credit for the attacks afterwards.

B. The US Government, in a conspiracy that involves planting enough dynamite to conduct a controlled demolition of two 110 story buildings without anyone noticing, taking control of airliners, firing a missile into their own building in Washington, somehow getting rid of the plane that was alleged to crash into the Pentagon, faking phone calls to victims families, and keeping everyone involved quiet about the whole thing, decides to murder 3000 of its own citizens in order to justify invading a remote country in southwest Asia with no mineral resources or strategic value to speak of. All this despite the fact that the United States, when it has previously or subsequently decided to invade small countries(Vietnam, Grenada, First Gulf War, Second Gulf War) has not needed a terrorist attack in order to justify it.

Yeah, I can see why sensible people would totally go for B.

The problem with scenario A is it doesnt account for WTC7 that fell in the same manner as WTC1 and WTC2 (suddenly, and with little-to-no resistance) even though it wasn't hit by a plane. The Petagon scenario you speak of is inaccurate considering there is no legitimate proof of a Boeing 757 ever hitting the Pentagon, not to mention the damage the Pentagon endured did not coincide with a plane of that magnitude striking it. Considering the initial hole of some 16 feet in diameter (before the outer facade collapsed some 10 minutes later), and the exit wound that was similar in size, more realistically suggests some sort of missile hit it instead. There are witnesses to the event that describe a very small 8 passenger plane, or what looked like a winged-missile that struck the Pentagon. The problem in confirming some of the aspects to this is that the feds confiscated all the footage in the area and classifed them. Out of the hundreds of cameras lining the outside of the Pentagon, we have only been supplied with one piece of video evidence...which on top of that had been edited. This is the world's most secure building we're talking about, and they can only come up with one shotty piece of footage? That makes no sense.

Yea I remember hearing about the supposed cell phone calls made from the planes. I dont see how this is possible considering you cant even make calls from cell phones in planes today, 11 years later.

Also, there is no evidence of Flight 93 crashing in Shanksville PA. The "crash site" consisted of no more than a hole in the ground, some 20-30 feet in length, with a depth of 5 feet or so. I dont know about you, but ive never heard of a plane crashing an completely incinerating upon impact...or even burying itself in the ground. There's no luggage, no miraculously surviving passports, no bodies, no engines, wings, nothing. Just a barren hole in the ground.

It is also important to note that Al-Qaeda is an arm of anglo-american intelligence. Hillary Clinton has recently admitted that we were in part to blame for 9/11 because we created Al Qaeda, trained them, and supplied them with weapons. Osama Bin Laden, aka Tim Osman, was a significant asset of the CIA. Al Qaeda is not some grassroots terrorist op of the region who fight us because they hate our freedoms...that is absurd...however it is what the establishment would have you believe.

You mock how extensive of an inside job this wouldve had to of been...however the evidence is there. Nano-thermite particles were found all over Manhattan...there are dozens of witnesses who claim they heard/felt/suffered from an explosion in the basement just before the first plane hit...as well as testimony regarding the nature of the collapse in correlation with controlled demolitions...where explosions went off one floor at a time from top to bottom - there are those in NYFD that have been vocal about this as well. And lets not forget about the fire of molten iron that burned for almost 4 months in the foundations of these structures...becoming the longest lasting fires in history.

Also, what sense would you make of Larry Silverstein's comments regarding the decision he made with the fire chief to "pull" building 7 due to there already being such terrible loss of life (which btw makes no sense)? Then he continues on to say "then we watched the building collapse." In order for them to intentionally bring down WTC7, that would clearly point out that the building had already been wired with explosives beforehand...and if thats the case for this building, wouldnt that automatically put the others on the table for controlled demolition as well? Through the research ive done, i have come to the conclusion that Flight 93, wherever it went, was supposed to hit WTC7...but since that part of the operation had been botched for whatever reason, they were forced to pull the building without the guise of a plane hitting it...which luckily for us has become the smoking gun behind the fun and games underlying these events,

Of course what i'm speaking of here is only but a small portion, and is very surface level compared to the actualities behind the complexity of this black operation. The information is out there and readily available...it just comes down to if youre willing to go down the rabbit hole. Most seemingly find comfort in living in denial over this...because if they were to accept this reality, it would force them to change their perspective on everything.

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Again, plenty of people have debunked the controlled demolition and missile into the Pentagon theories, so I'm not going to argue every bit of evidence you think there is there, but the question is still why? Why would the government kill 3000 of its own citizens? And if the government did want to kill 3000 of its own citizens to start a war or whatever, why do it in the most convoluted way possible? Why make a plane disappear and fire a missile into the Pentagon and say a plane hit it? Why not just fly that plane into the Pentagon? Why conduct a black operation that involves sneaking into huge buildings in the middle of the busiest city in the world, getting behind the drywall and plumbing and electrical work and drilling into the concrete superstructure to place dynamite in order to conduct a controlled demolition? Think of the manpower involved in that kind of operation, and how many people you'd have to keep quiet. Think of how hard it would be to keep all the people involved in the firing of the missile quiet. I don't know how familiar you are with military bases, but one guy doesn't just fire a missile. If a missile that big gets fired, lots of people know. I think if the government wanted to kill lots of people in order to justify starting a war, a couple of truck bombs in a big city at rush hour would probably suffice. That way you dont have to employ hundreds, or even thousands of people in your operation, all of whom then have to be trusted to keep the most damning secret in American history. The conspiracy theory is the most complicated, most unlikely possible explanation for the event, which is common for conspiracy theories.

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Again, plenty of people have debunked the controlled demolition and missile into the Pentagon theories, so I'm not going to argue every bit of evidence you think there is there, but the question is still why? Why would the government kill 3000 of its own citizens? And if the government did want to kill 3000 of its own citizens to start a war or whatever, why do it in the most convoluted way possible? Why make a plane disappear and fire a missile into the Pentagon and say a plane hit it? Why not just fly that plane into the Pentagon? Why conduct a black operation that involves sneaking into huge buildings in the middle of the busiest city in the world, getting behind the drywall and plumbing and electrical work and drilling into the concrete superstructure to place dynamite in order to conduct a controlled demolition? Think of the manpower involved in that kind of operation, and how many people you'd have to keep quiet. Think of how hard it would be to keep all the people involved in the firing of the missile quiet. I don't know how familiar you are with military bases, but one guy doesn't just fire a missile. If a missile that big gets fired, lots of people know. I think if the government wanted to kill lots of people in order to justify starting a war, a couple of truck bombs in a big city at rush hour would probably suffice. That way you dont have to employ hundreds, or even thousands of people in your operation, all of whom then have to be trusted to keep the most damning secret in American history. The conspiracy theory is the most complicated, most unlikely possible explanation for the event, which is common for conspiracy theories.

Dude, no. Plenty of people have not debunked the controlled demolition and pentagon missile...because they're not debunkable. Of course people have tried, and there has been junk science that has attempted to explain these things...but in the end its all BS.

Government false flags are standard operations. Just about every war we've ever gotten into has been triggered by a falsified event. For example, it is a known fact that we went into the Vietnam war over an event that never happened (the Gulf of Tonkin), and because of this, tens of thousands of Americans were put in harm's way, and killed, because of a lie.

A new level of fear needed to be instilled in the minds of American's too...this is why it was imparative we get hit "close to home" as we did. The ruling establishment wants everyone to feel that they could be a potential victim of a terrorist act. Once this became the case, the government was essentially granted permission to infinge on our rights in the name of "safety," which was the goal. Since 9/11, the constitution and our liberties have been under attack. The Patriot Act and NDAA are two of the most horrific pieces of legislation to ever be enacted and are completely unconstitutional...severely infringing upon our rights. The Department of Homeland Security was created because of 9/11, which appears to be of kin to the Nazi Gestapo when you really get down to it. Funny how the Bush family, with well-known Nazi lineage, was at the head of the country when all this took place. It kind of presented a eerie deja vu moment that paralleled the Reichstag Fire false flag that secured Hitler with that much more power. PNAC was one of the main driving factors towards all this. The revamping and occupation of the Middle East had been planned long before 9/11 and before Bush ever took office. They just needed the right excuse to invade. I mean honestly, how much sense did it make that we went into Iraq when they had nothing to do with it, even according to the official story? What we are witnessing in the ME is the westernization, corporatization, and theft of the area's resources, propping up puppet politicians via "regime change," whom will play ball with the Anglo-American Empire.

As stated in an earlier post in this thread...the Pentagon was struck where it was to ensure the $2.3T Rumsfeld announced was missing the day before had disappeared. WTC7 was where the back-ups were kept, which is why it was brought down. And then there's the trillions of dollars of stolen gold from Asia by the Anglo-American Empire during WWI and WWII that was kept hidden underneath WTC1 and WTC2. They needed to make this disappear due to the Hague's ruling that the Federal Reserve and Bank of International Settlements were to return the stolen gold by September 12, 2001 in a court ruling earlier that year.

There wouldnt have to be that many people in on this in order to pull it of. Being the the political structure is compartmentalized, makes it easy for those under the top of the pyramid to be intentionally misguided. This is how the the making of the atom bomb was kept so secret even though hundreds of thousands of people were working on it via the Manhattan project. People are only given enough information as they need to in order to complete their job. Everything is on a need-to-know basis, which means the only people who are completely aware to the overall operation are those at the very top. The media, which is also owned and controlled by the corporate political establishment, was an easy arm to take advantage of in order to further spread the propaganda. All these talking heads do is read from the scripts they are provided with. The world is a stage my friend, and this is all theatre.

As far as the missile argument goes that you brought up...there were a bunch of people that were aware of the incoming attack against the Pentagon while airborne. Dick Cheney specifically gave the order to allow the incoming object to strike the building...ex-CIA Ray McGovern was witness to this.

No offense or anything, but you really have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to all this. It goes so much deeper, and is eons more complex than the surface level garbage officials have supplied us with that you are reiterating, which is an insult to the intelligence of all of us. I dont mean to be insulting or too blunt about it...we're just getting to a point in history where it is imparative everyone understands the truth about these things before they take us for all we've got. Instead of mocking these realities, you should productively be doing research into the understanding on how this elaborate hoax was pulled off.

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Ok, the country was taken over by Nazis, 9/11 destroyed secret gold, the entire government and all media outlets are conspiring to cover it up, you're right, I have no idea what I'm talking about with all this. Good luck getting the word out to everyone.

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Ok, the country was taken over by Nazis, 9/11 destroyed secret gold, the entire government and all media outlets are conspiring to cover it up, you're right, I have no idea what I'm talking about with all this. Good luck getting the word out to everyone.

You dont have any idea what you're talking about...and I dont mean that as a jab at you in any way, i'm just pointing out a reality that needs to be said. I would advise researching these things on your own with a non-biased approach, versus letting "officials" do the thinking/arguing for you.

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You dont have any idea what you're talking about...and I dont mean that as a jab at you in any way, i'm just pointing out a reality that needs to be said. I would advise researching these things on your own with a non-biased approach, versus letting "officials" do the thinking/arguing for you.

And if I research things on my own in an unbiased way and come to a different conclusion? Does that make me uninformed? I always like when people think that anyone who doesn't share their set of beliefs is either stupid, being manipulated, or one of the evil manipulators themselves. This view is most common on the extreme fringes of the political spectrum.

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And if I research things on my own in an unbiased way and come to a different conclusion? Does that make me uninformed? I always like when people think that anyone who doesn't share their set of beliefs is either stupid, being manipulated, or one of the evil manipulators themselves. This view is most common on the extreme fringes of the political spectrum.

It makes your unbiased research questionable, haha. As far as manipulation goes...i think its pretty safe to say that everyone on this planet has been, or currently is, being manipulated. Manipulation is the name of the game in our society these days...its everywhere. Why? Because everything comes back to the dollar, which is the absolute bottom line in this country. The American corporation presents us with the world views they wish us to have, enabling their own leverage, profits and control. They do this through the controlled establishment media, presenting the equivalent of bogus and misleading advertisements you see on TV, designed to ensure we play into their hands. Infact, just about everything on TV is intended to manipulate us.

I know you probably roll your eyes and laugh at all that i've said...even though you refuse to refute any of it because "the science has already been settled!" But do know...and I cannot say it enough...that what i'm speaking of here is absolute truth. Anyone that has done a thorough investigation into this can see how straightforward it all is. Due to the obvious nature behind the realities of these scenarios, only goes to show how conditioned everyone has been...which is very sad. Government says sky is red...everyone believes it without question. Anyone who says the sky is blue is viciously attacked...which is also by design. Luckily lots of people have been waking up to these realities in the last few years, which is definietly a positive step in the right direction.

I'm not here to tell you how dumb you are, or how right I am. I am here to help you wake up to the realities of our system so that humanity can finally be set free from thousands of years of brainwashing and manipulation.

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