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#121 Frash Brastard

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:32 AM

You know how long I have defended him.
But the past few years have just been too much.

2009 draft.
2010 draft
2010 spending spree
2011 draft (minus Cam)
2011 ignoring of needs


I understand building through the draft, hell I am all for it.
But that doesn't mean you ignore Free Agency.
It doesn't mean you overpay your guys.

*sigh*


I feel like I am the last rat jumping off a sinking ship...


The whole "build through the draft" thing is a bit of a myth. I mean every single team gets some of their best "core" players through the draft. Even the Redskins, the front office punchline of this forum for years have created a core partially composed of Orakpo, Kerrigan, RGIII (obviously), Trent Williams. None of those players were acquired through free agency.

But there are GMs that understand that the draft is way too limited an outlet to build a superior team by itself. By the end of the 2nd round, most of the guys with solid potential to be bona fide NFL starters are gone. The only players left are players from small schools, players with limited skill sets, players that just aren't very good athletes, players that don't project to any real position, special teams aces that can't contribute on offense or defense, etc. Yes sometimes very solid guys slip through the cracks but those are exceptions.

Hurney's got this vision of never needing to draw up a contract for an outside player and it's almost like he'd rather waste his time frivolously trying to force this to work when he simply could be doing what better GMs do: balance your roster, and improve the most critical positions for success in this league, especially if they need help. If you need to sign a good player that's leaving another team, then do it.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:47 AM

So the coaching staff has no responsibility for our W/L record?

Hurney buys the groceries, the coaching staff cooks the meal... if the meal is bad, some of the blame has to fall on the cook.

Hurney is at fault, but it's not his fault alone.


...can't bake a pie when one of the few ingredients you have is shyt...

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:03 AM

...can't bake a pie when one of the few ingredients you have is shyt...

yes you can.

just don't expect it to be very good.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:07 AM

The whole "build through the draft" thing is a bit of a myth. I mean every single team gets some of their best "core" players through the draft. Even the Redskins, the front office punchline of this forum for years have created a core partially composed of Orakpo, Kerrigan, RGIII (obviously), Trent Williams. None of those players were acquired through free agency.

But there are GMs that understand that the draft is way too limited an outlet to build a superior team by itself. By the end of the 2nd round, most of the guys with solid potential to be bona fide NFL starters are gone. The only players left are players from small schools, players with limited skill sets, players that just aren't very good athletes, players that don't project to any real position, special teams aces that can't contribute on offense or defense, etc. Yes sometimes very solid guys slip through the cracks but those are exceptions.

Hurney's got this vision of never needing to draw up a contract for an outside player and it's almost like he'd rather waste his time frivolously trying to force this to work when he simply could be doing what better GMs do: balance your roster, and improve the most critical positions for success in this league, especially if they need help. If you need to sign a good player that's leaving another team, then do it.

true.

i believe we would be much better off filling needs with FAs or via trade (giving up 3rd-7th round picks preferably) and then drafting BPAs.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:10 AM

Our starting CBs Sunday will be a 5th and 7th rounder.....and we have a first round pick in Cam running, a first pick in Williams occasionally running, and a first round pick in Stewart occasionally running.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:15 AM

The whole "build through the draft" thing is a bit of a myth. I mean every single team gets some of their best "core" players through the draft. Even the Redskins, the front office punchline of this forum for years have created a core partially composed of Orakpo, Kerrigan, RGIII (obviously), Trent Williams. None of those players were acquired through free agency.

But there are GMs that understand that the draft is way too limited an outlet to build a superior team by itself. By the end of the 2nd round, most of the guys with solid potential to be bona fide NFL starters are gone. The only players left are players from small schools, players with limited skill sets, players that just aren't very good athletes, players that don't project to any real position, special teams aces that can't contribute on offense or defense, etc. Yes sometimes very solid guys slip through the cracks but those are exceptions.

Hurney's got this vision of never needing to draw up a contract for an outside player and it's almost like he'd rather waste his time frivolously trying to force this to work when he simply could be doing what better GMs do: balance your roster, and improve the most critical positions for success in this league, especially if they need help. If you need to sign a good player that's leaving another team, then do it.

Yea you cant draft a 5th round cb from a small school and think we are ok at cb. His weakness in recognizing and evaluating talent is amazing.On one hand Josh was a great 5th round draft pick but thinking he can come in and start is stupidity.I am convinced he just does not get the whole picture.He consistly misses on getting the talent necessary to be conpetetive

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:21 AM

Yea you cant draft a 5th round cb from a small school and think we are ok at cb. His weakness in recognizing and evaluating talent is amazing.On one hand Josh was a great 5th round draft pick but thinking he can come in and start is stupidity.I am convinced he just does not get the whole picture.

i think we did well with this draft. norman has done incredibly well for a rookie. once he has a year or two under his belt he's going to be very good. i think we have a good one with alexander. i think we scored with nortman. i believe that silatolu and keuchly both will be among the elite at their positions in a couple years.

if we can keep drafting like that i think we will have a very solid team in a couple years.

that draft, though, i'm hoping just isn't an anomaly and is actually a sign that we are heading in the right direction with draft choices.

that said...i don't like that we had to rely on so many rookies this year. i think it speaks to a badly built team when you are in a position to give that many rookies that much responsibility.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:31 AM

i think we did well with this draft. norman has done incredibly well for a rookie. once he has a year or two under his belt he's going to be very good. i think we have a good one with alexander. i think we scored with nortman. i believe that silatolu and keuchly both will be among the elite at their positions in a couple years.

if we can keep drafting like that i think we will have a very solid team in a couple years.

that draft, though, i'm hoping just isn't an anomaly and is actually a sign that we are heading in the right direction with draft choices.

that said...i don't like that we had to rely on so many rookies this year. i think it speaks to a badly built team when you are in a position to give that many rookies that much responsibility.

Well that what I am saying he gets some of it but does a bad job at looking at the talent on the panthers and picking up players where needed.Norman was a good pick in the 5th but thinking he should be able to hold his own his 1st year is ludicrous I really try to give him credit where credit is due but their is no excuse for some of the talent we are having to play this year. He had other options keeping either Butler or Stanford or picking up someone that could at least hold their on.We have limited money and I get that but feel he could have put together a better team.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:38 AM

Well that what I am saying he gets some of it but does a bad job at looking at the talent on the panthers and picking up players where needed.Norman was a good pick in the 5th but thinking he should be able to hold his own his 1st year is ludicrous I really try to give him credit where credit is due but their is no excuse for some of the talent we are having to play this year. He had other options keeping either Butler or Stanford or picking up someone that could at least hold their on.We have limited money and I get that but feel he could have put together a better team.

we don't have all that limited cap space. we could have spent more. i don't feel good about butler or stanford. neither one of those are better options than norman.

i think we'll be happy that norman got the experience he's getting this year in the future, but for this year it sucks.

i think safety is where we are weaker, though, and i think that is probably holding the D back more than anything. i don't want godfrey to be our best safety going into next year. i'd like for us to pick one up in FA and draft one early. we need a huge turnover there.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:46 AM

we don't have all that limited cap space. we could have spent more. i don't feel good about butler or stanford. neither one of those are better options than norman.

i think we'll be happy that norman got the experience he's getting this year in the future, but for this year it sucks.

i think safety is where we are weaker, though, and i think that is probably holding the D back more than anything. i don't want godfrey to be our best safety going into next year. i'd like for us to pick one up in FA and draft one early. we need a huge turnover there.


I agree with you on safety but I am not comparing Butler or Stanford to Norman I am comparing them to Thomas who we will be fielding this week.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:50 AM

I agree with you on safety but I am not comparing Butler or Stanford to Norman I am comparing them to Thomas who we will be fielding this week.

gotcha. don't feel good about any of them, tbh.

this is one area that having reliable starting safeties would help. it would take a whole lot of pressure off having to rely on your 4th CB. i don't care what team you are...if you are having to give your 4th CB significant PT, you are going to be struggling.

again...i'm just happy this is happening in a week that we are playing such a weak passing offense.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:30 AM

Our starting CBs Sunday will be a 5th and 7th rounder.....and we have a first round pick in Cam running, a first pick in Williams occasionally running, and a first round pick in Stewart occasionally running.


It really sounds bad when you put it that way but you are correct coupled with 2 ist rd draft picks at lb occasionally playing.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:31 AM

I'm glad that he feels strongly enough to have his guts ripped out and all.... but what exactly is Marty doing to remedy the situation? I didn't feel we got a single answer in that entire interview, just a bunch of "I take the blame". No poo Marty... as you should. But what do you plan to do to move us from almost wons to winners?

Accountability isn't just falling on the sword, it's giving the people relying on you a plan of action to fix things.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:33 AM

gotcha. don't feel good about any of them, tbh.

this is one area that having reliable starting safeties would help. it would take a whole lot of pressure off having to rely on your 4th CB. i don't care what team you are...if you are having to give your 4th CB significant PT, you are going to be struggling.

again...i'm just happy this is happening in a week that we are playing such a weak passing offense.


If I were PCarroll I would put Flynn in and throw it all day.Our secondary is pathetic.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:40 AM

If I were PCarroll I would put Flynn in and throw it all day.Our secondary is pathetic.

i've had this sick feeling i've been forcing to the back of my mind that carroll might actually make the switch at the last minute...mainly because we are typically really bad against replacement QBs. if i was carroll i would most definitely start flynn this week if i was going to make the switch at all. it's a good way to start something positive with a new QB.


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